Interesting fact from the New York Daily News - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Displaced Cowboy · 04-03-2005

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
6 192 Dan Alexander RB Nebraska
6 199 Adam Haayer T Minnesota
7 232 Keith Adams OLB Clemson

edwardo · 04-03-2005

well, the jets can say that have L. Cole in place of Moss; so this is not as bad for the Jets as it is for the Boys; the really sad lesson is to identify who we could have should have might have taken in this draft; the crackhead quarterback is what really hurt.

speedkilz88 · 04-03-2005

Willie Blade is actually on the Cowboys roster.

Redball Express · 04-03-2005

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Originally Posted by Displaced Cowboy

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
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In our case, maybe bad science prior to BP's arrival. I think we are looking at a more artful draft this year with all the options the team has manufactured based on FA and the trades last year in the 2004 draft.

I think our drafts have been remarlably better since BP got here. Even last year's is a good one once we end up seeing what that trade for our last year's #1 brings this year.

You really can't evaluate 2004 until we do 2005's draft. And 2003 was a good draft, too.

The figures above are interesting, but not that much of a surprise.

I think you also need to look at which of those players are still in the NFL, too.

I think a number of those guys are still playing elsewhere, so that doesn't mean they are busts completely. They just couldn't beat out our starters, ended up not fitting our schemes or got injured and never caught up.

Anyway, not much matters before Parcell's arrival. We know the drafts were run by Jones and Lacewell and one of those guys are no longer with the team.

Thanks goodness.

Later.

ParcellsWaterBoy

**big dog cowboy** · 04-03-2005

I wouldn't use the word 'interesting' to describe that draft.

Redball Express · 04-03-2005

I say interesting that the three teams mentioned had the same results 4 years later with their drafts. Both the Jets and certainly the Titans were much better teams than the Cowboys have been and they were not cap strapped like we were.

They could afford better players in FA, too, as they had more money to spend.

So it's interesting that they had better winning records for the same time period than we did and also experienced similar drafts.

Like they say, you have to wait 4 years later to see how the drafts really worked out.

Interesting.

ParcellsWaterBoy

**MichaelWinicki** · 04-03-2005

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Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

I wouldn't use the word 'interesting' to describe that draft.

LOL!

Yep BDC... I'm thinking more like a word that contains four letters, starts with "s" and ends in "t".

p1_ · 04-03-2005

who drafted at NY that year? It wasn't Bill's was it?

**big dog cowboy** · 04-03-2005

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

LOL!

Yep BDC... I'm thinking more like a word that contains four letters, starts with "s" and ends in "t".

I was thinking much than that. Even on a Sunday. :o

jay cee · 04-03-2005

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Originally Posted by Displaced Cowboy

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
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I think the difference in the Jets and Titans drafts from the Cowboys, is that they both lost players they wanted to keep due to salary cap problems. the Cowboys did not have anyone from that draft that was worth keeping. And they have had plenty of cap room.

Juke99 · 04-03-2005

Yep but that Jerry Jones....he's the best owner in football...he always wants to win...best darn owner in football...

OK maybe there's a bit of a problem in that he always wants to win, as long as his ego gets stoked..hence years and years of awful drafts...and the refusal to step aside until Parcells arrived...about 7 years too late.

But hey, he's the best darn owner in football..

Hostile · 04-03-2005

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Originally Posted by parcellswaterboy

I say interesting that the three teams mentioned had the same results 4 years later with their drafts. Both the Jets and certainly the Titans were much better teams than the Cowboys have been and they were not cap strapped like we were.

They could afford better players in FA, too, as they had more money to spend.

So it's interesting that they had better winning records for the same time period than we did and also experienced similar drafts.

Like they say, you have to wait 4 years later to see how the drafts really worked out.

Interesting.

ParcellsWaterBoy

Huh? I've read that twice and still don't know what point you were trying to make. Maybe it's too early for me. Bail me out will ya?

**big dog cowboy** · 04-03-2005

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Originally Posted by Juke99

But hey, he's the best darn owner in football..

OK so sometimes he isn't always the smartest. At least he is still the best.

Hostile · 04-03-2005

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Originally Posted by Juke99

Yep but that Jerry Jones....he's the best owner in football...he always wants to win...best darn owner in football...

OK maybe there's a bit of a problem in that he always wants to win, as long as his ego gets stoked..hence years and years of awful drafts...and the refusal to step aside until Parcells arrived...about 7 years too late.

But hey, he's the best darn owner in football..

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me. He has a vision for this team's appeal with a new stadium, etc. Even that isn't a factor for me.

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on October 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.

adbutcher · 04-03-2005

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Originally Posted by Hostile

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me. He has a vision for this team's appeal with a new stadium, etc. Even that isn't a factor for me.

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on Ocotber 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.

I agree with every word.

Highjack: I have three offers from three companies in Houston. I have gone into stall mode because I don't want to committ until the end of the school semester (05/02/2005).

I return you to your schedule programming.