Interesting fact from the New York Daily News

[Juke99]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me. He has a vision for this team's appeal with a new stadium, etc. Even that isn't a factor for me.

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on Ocotber 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.

I can't see how you can make a distinction between the owner and the GM when they are one in the same....

Ya see, to my way of thinking...if Jerry the GM wasn't Jerry the owner, he'd have been fired a LONG time ago...the only reason he is still the GM is because he puts his ego before the team...and that is detrimental to the organization and its fan base.

And that's not good ownership.

Just one guy's opinion.

[junk]

At least those other teams drafted some players. Dallas drafted a bunch of sacks of crap

[junk]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me. He has a vision for this team's appeal with a new stadium, etc. Even that isn't a factor for me.

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on Ocotber 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.

And Hard Knocks when he was in there with Anthony Lucas. Called his parents and everything. Might have just been for the TV cameras, but I get the impression that his concern about his players in genuine.

As far as Jerry the GM, he is also fits in the category of "sack of crap"

[Juke99]

Originally Posted by junk

And Hard Knocks when he was in there with Anthony Lucas. Called his parents and everything. Might have just been for the TV cameras, but I get the impression that his concern about his players in genuine.

As far as Jerry the GM, he is also fits in the category of "sack of crap"

Now, not being argumentative here...but how can Jerry be a great owner if he refuses to fire Jerry the GM?

I'm just curious as to the thinking that splits the two...

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by adbutcher

I agree with every word.

Highjack: I have three offers from three companies in Houston. I have gone into stall mode because I don't want to committ until the end of the school semester (05/02/2005).

I return you to your schedule programming.

I send you my good thoughts and wishes that you get the dream job that best suits your family.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Juke99

I can't see how you can make a distinction between the owner and the GM when they are one in the same....

Ya see, to my way of thinking...if Jerry the GM wasn't Jerry the owner, he'd have been fired a LONG time ago...the only reason he is still the GM is because he puts his ego before the team...and that is detrimental to the organization and its fan base.

And that's not good ownership.

Just one guy's opinion.

I make the distinction because in my mind they are 2 different hats that he wears. As an owner he has advanced things in the competition committee and has changed the way teams market themselves. As a businessman he is unparalleled across the spectrum of owners. For someone who is very visible as an owner he simply doesn't coem across as about money only even though he clearly knows what eh is doing there. His passion and compassion for the team is obvious to me.

As a GM he doesn't inspire confidence in me. At times I think he is too loyal. On the positive side he seems to have turned over a new leaf and is stepping out of the spotlight more and more.

If he ever got around to hiring a football guy to be the GM or at least the Director of Player Personnel (read Ron Wolf, Bill Polian, or Scott Pioli) I don't doubt that the team would make a huge leap forward.

His players love him for his dedication to them. That means a lot to me.

[kmp77]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

LOL!

Yep BDC... I'm thinking more like a word that contains four letters, starts with "s" and ends in "t".

Soft? I don't get it....

[Juke99]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I make the distinction because in my mind they are 2 different hats that he wears. As an owner he has advanced things in the competition committee and has changed the way teams market themselves. As a businessman he is unparalleled across the spectrum of owners. For someone who is very visible as an owner he simply doesn't coem across as about money only even though he clearly knows what eh is doing there. His passion and compassion for the team is obvious to me.

As a GM he doesn't inspire confidence in me. At times I think he is too loyal. On the positive side he seems to have turned over a new leaf and is stepping out of the spotlight more and more.

If he ever got around to hiring a football guy to be the GM or at least the Director of Player Personnel (read Ron Wolf, Bill Polian, or Scott Pioli) I don't doubt that the team would make a huge leap forward.

His players love him for his dedication to them. That means a lot to me.

Well, for me, it's not two different hats...it's one hat, in a hierarchical organization and sitting at the top of the organization is an owner, who makes all final decisions.

The GM reports to that owner....they aren't equal, lateral, positions...

The GM would have been fired long ago...If the GM and owner weren't two in the same.

And I don't completely share your view about being $$$ driven. In fact, part of the reason I have a problem with the shared GM and owner roles is because there is no system of checks and balances. Jerry the owner is first and foremost a businessman and marketing guy...the GM is a football man. In this case, the owner markets the team by bringing in Joey Galloway for two one's and tries to sell the "Ram's vertical passing game" to the fans ...the owner, brings in Quincy and immediately starts comparing him to Troy Aikman saying he hasn't been this excited about a player since they had Aikman...that's all sales..all marketing...and the GM, if a different person, would NEVER have done that.

Now, my tolerance for Jerry has grown since Parcells has come aboard...if only because it proves, after WAY too long, that he is willing to at least share the GM duties.

Anyway...we'll all feel the way we do...no one will change minds...but it's fun to knock the subject around.

Please don't hurt me.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Juke99

Well, for me, it's not two different hats...it's one hat, in a hierarchical organization and sitting at the top of the organization is an owner, who makes all final decisions.

The GM reports to that owner....they aren't equal, lateral, positions...

The GM would have been fired long ago...If the GM and owner weren't two in the same.

[View Full Quote]And I don't completely share your view about being $$$ driven. In fact, part of the reason I have a problem with the shared GM and owner roles is because there is no system of checks and balances. Jerry the owner is first and foremost a businessman and marketing guy...the GM is a football man. In this case, the owner markets the team by bringing in Joey Galloway for two one's and tries to sell the "Ram's vertical passing game" to the fans ...the owner, brings in Quincy and immediately starts comparing him to Troy Aikman saying he hasn't been this excited about a player since they had Aikman...that's all sales..all marketing...and the GM, if a different person, would NEVER have done that.

Now, my tolerance for Jerry has grown since Parcells has come aboard...if only because it proves, after WAY too long, that he is willing to at least share the GM duties.

Anyway...we'll all feel the way we do...no one will change minds...but it's fun to knock the subject around.

Please don't hurt me.

Again, I do not deny that Jerry is not a good GM. In my mind he isn't and hasn't been. Replaying his failures as GM won't emphasize that to me because I already acknowledge he is lacking.

Owners have a myriad of duties and Jerry has changed the way most of them do things. These men do not emulate failures.

Jerry bought this team for 180 million and last year it was valued at 800 million and when the new stadium is done it will easily become the NFL's most valuable team at over a billion dollars in worth. There isn't a business anywhere in the world that wouldn't jump all over that kind of growth.

He has faults, but bad owner isn't in the sentence for me. Not even because he doesn't fire himself. If I were in his shoes I would move aside, but I am not him. I know he feels he has the Midas touch and will succeed as a GM. Part of me admires that in him. The fan in me gets frustrated by it.

[big dog cowboy]

You guys could make a debate about if the glass is half full or half empty interesting.

[deerssur]

Originally Posted by Displaced Cowboy

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
[View Full Quote]6 192 Dan Alexander RB Nebraska
6 199 Adam Haayer T Minnesota
7 232 Keith Adams OLB Clemson

what a horrible draft that year. i do remember being very disappointed about our terrible picks. at least the jets and titans got some decent players out of it for a while. we must have let murray the wonder mule draft for us.

[StonetheCrow77]

Originally Posted by Juke99

Now, not being argumentative here...but how can Jerry be a great owner if he refuses to fire Jerry the GM?

I'm just curious as to the thinking that splits the two...

he finally did... thus BP handling the players and Stephen Jones handling the cap... a bit too late, but better late than never, right?

[ghettogandhi]

Originally Posted by Displaced Cowboy

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

[View Full Quote]2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
6 192 Dan Alexander RB Nebraska
6 199 Adam Haayer T Minnesota
7 232 Keith Adams OLB Clemson

big difference between the teams though

Jets had a great draft
Jordan will be a very good back
Mckenzie is a top 15 tackle
Santana Moss is a good deep threat and returner

too bad they all left

tennesee had a weak draft
Dyson and Mccareins are the only solid players they got that year

cowboys

we got nothing from that draft
Blade had the most potential-but he managed to eat and sleep his way to NFL europe

[Bach]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on October 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.

The best owner in football would've hired a quality GM and HC within days of Jimmy leaving in the spring of '94. It wouldn't have took 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons 9 years later for him to decide to put his ego aside and legitimately try allowing someone else to have a major role in building the team.

But I do agree that Jerry is a great marketing director and a really nice guy.

[Jon88]

Originally Posted by Bach

The best owner in football would've hired a quality GM and HC within days of Jimmy leaving in the spring of '94. It wouldn't have took 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons 9 years later for him to decide to put his ego aside and legitimately try allowing someone else to have a major role in building the team.

But I do agree that Jerry is a great marketing director and a really nice guy.

It took 9-10 horrible drafts before he finally put his enormous ego aside, and he only did that because his team was run right into the ground.

The guy's an idiot. I hope he reads this thread, too.