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Old 04-04-2005   #31
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Come on you stated that we get williams or trade, I'm not opposed to a trade only feel we can get the better player at 11. If the player Dallas likes is still on the board at 11 I hope they take him and not run the risk of losing that player. If you have a problem with that then that is your problem.
I said the only player I'd take at #11 without LOOKING to trade down is Williams, and that is only because I think he is one of the few players in this draft that will be special.

Actually if Williams is there at #11 we are even MORE LIKELY to trade down, ala the Buffalo trade last year. I can see Pittsburgh giving us #30, their 3rd, and a first in 2006 to move up to get him. Baltimore and Jacksonville are also likely to make a move. We then grab a DE at #20 and then look at OLB, OT, WR, or FS at #30 and #42.

Jerry said it is possible we will make a move down and even mentioned the Buffalo deal.

Two firsts in 2006 would be great insurance in case Henson does not come around.

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Old 04-04-2005   #32
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Doom... I was just harassing you a little... nothing meant by it. You're a good guy.
Don't people know not to take you seriously yet?

This is a team who is battling several major injuries to
key players including Pro Bowl talents like Lee, Austin, Jenkins, Murray,
Carter and Ratliff. Other key starters missing include Costa, Smith, Church and
Coleman. That is 11 key players - that's half the starting lineup. Yet we still went 8-8.
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Don't people know not to take you seriously yet?

I guess not BDC. BTW how are things in your end of the world?
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Default trade down if Williams there at eleven?

#30, their 3rd, and a first in 2006 from Pittsburgh to move up to get Williams if he is there at eleven.

Now this is getting close to what I would want to move down from eleven. Considering that Pittsburgh is going to be an elite team, we might need just a tad more value to justify not taking Williams, if he is there at eleven; either an extra three next year, or their two this year instead of the three.

I see Dallas getting rich at the eleven spot; if two of the three elite running backs are gone after ten picks, there will be a bidding war to move to eleven to select the remaining back on the board; be it Benson, Brown or Williams. . .or if there is a run on cornerbacks, then we may see a bidding war to move into eleven to grab the cornerback of their choice. Whatever I really like the idea of extra picks and extra picks next year.
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#30, their 3rd, and a first in 2006 from Pittsburgh to move up to get Williams if he is there at eleven.

Now this is getting close to what I would want to move down from eleven. Considering that Pittsburgh is going to be an elite team, we might need just a tad more value to justify not taking Williams, if he is there at eleven; either an extra three next year, or their two this year instead of the three.

I see Dallas getting rich at the eleven spot; if two of the three elite running backs are gone after ten picks, there will be a bidding war to move to eleven to select the remaining back on the board; be it Benson, Brown or Williams. . .or if there is a run on cornerbacks, then we may see a bidding war to move into eleven to grab the cornerback of their choice. Whatever I really like the idea of extra picks and extra picks next year.

I agree with you. I think someone is going to slip out of the top 10 that is a surprise and there will be a team below that wants that player and will make some kind of offer to move up which would make me more than happy cos I'm not seeing anything at 11 that I can't live without.
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Thats whats great about being pick #11...Someone slipping outta the top ten...Boom, were there...
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I guess not BDC. BTW how are things in your end of the world?
Same as everyone else....day to day. Waiting for the tick tock on the clock to finally tell me it's draft day.

This is a team who is battling several major injuries to
key players including Pro Bowl talents like Lee, Austin, Jenkins, Murray,
Carter and Ratliff. Other key starters missing include Costa, Smith, Church and
Coleman. That is 11 key players - that's half the starting lineup. Yet we still went 8-8.
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Let's say we trade #42 for Howard, we no longer need a DE in the draft /QUOTE]

You don't seriously think we can obtain Howard for our number two selection, do you? If the Aints would take our second rounder, and give us Howard, then I take this deal in a New Jersey milisecond.

I would even trade Dat and our second next year and a four this year. Then I would use the trade down doctrine this year and try and end up with two late first rounders and pick up a two, a three and something for next year.

The only problem here is how much money does Howard want; but, considering his production and age, I pay it. My guess is that Jones and Parcells have allies in the league and they are avoiding bidding against themselves and their allies. (Raiders for example) And, the Aints are holding fast to more than our second and DAT. They floated that rumor to upset the Dallas Karma and to see how badly we would bite on Howard.
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Thats whats great about being pick #11...Someone slipping outta the top ten...Boom, were there...
I think there is going to be a run on the three backs right before the end of the top ten; my guess is that when eleven is on the board, two the three top flight backs are gone; I just hope Benson is left, then we ought to hold out for the moon until someone pays us to move down so they can have their precious running back. Running backs are instant production; you have to have one; not every day goes by in draft world where you can get one relatively inexpensively.
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Let's say we trade #42 for Howard, we no longer need a DE in the draft /QUOTE]

You don't seriously think we can obtain Howard for our number two selection, do you? If the Aints would take our second rounder, and give us Howard, then I take this deal in a New Jersey milisecond.

I would even trade Dat and our second next year and a four this year. Then I would use the trade down doctrine this year and try and end up with two late first rounders and pick up a two, a three and something for next year.

The only problem here is how much money does Howard want; but, considering his production and age, I pay it. My guess is that Jones and Parcells have allies in the league and they are avoiding bidding against themselves and their allies. (Raiders for example) And, the Aints are holding fast to more than our second and DAT. They floated that rumor to upset the Dallas Karma and to see how badly we would bite on Howard.
I think we will get him for LESS than pick #42 if it happens.

No way do I include Dat in the deal. We are very iffy at LB as it is, without losing our best LB.

If we don't have a deal in place by the draft, it will be interesting to see what happens if Johnson is there at #11. NO might use Howard to move up from 16 to 11 to get their LB. The only question becomes if we will need to give them a pick in return. #11 and our 4th next year might do it.
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you mean exchanging first rounds and throwing in a fourth? Done deal!
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