Cowboys looking for DE at 14

[28 Joker]

Brockers is another overvalued, overrated defensive linemen who will probably be drafted too high. He is clearly riding the LSU brand up the draft boards, and LSU's recent marquee defensive linemen have not lived up to the hype.

Spears (pick 20)
Dorsey (pick 5)
Jackson (pick 3)

Now, Dwayne Bowe...That is a good value in round 1. Kyle Williams is a good football player, too. Alan Faneca (round 1)...Bradie James was a very good value in round 4.

Dallas might take a defensive linemen at 14, but no one is going to convince me it's the smart move, especially with the DL players that I'm seeing and the high risk of drafting in the DL (in round 1) and the state of this team (especially the interior offensive line). This team can't afford to whiff on pick 14.

Show me Richard Seymour, John Henderson, or Albert Haynesworth, and I'll take notice.

Show me DeMarcus Ware or Aldon Smith, and I'll take notice.

Hopefully, this is pure smoke.

[28 Joker]

In fact (in regards to SOLB), show me Leonard Little, and I'll take notice. Little had horrific off the field trouble with the Rams, but he was a very good player on the field for the Rams. At Tennessee, he tallied 28 career sacks, and he was a pass rush demon. Little's career sack total was second only to Reggie White (in Tennessee history). Little was the classic 34 OLB, and the Steelers wanted him, but a 43 team drafted him.

There is no way that a Leonard Little would last until the 3rd round in today's NFL. He'd be right up there in the top 15 or top 10.

[ThreeandOut]

Originally Posted by ddh33

I'm curious to hear people's opinions about Brocker? I know the combine numbers look ugly, but he was someone who was a top five type pick a week and a half ago. I didn't watch LSU much, so what did he look like?

People are high on Poe because of what he did at the combine, but Bunting seems to like Brockers better. Here are a few comments from him in a recent Vela article.

Overall he [Poe] worked out better than [Michael] Brockers. I still think Brockers is a much better prospect, and the scouts I talked to all ranked it Brockers, Cox, Poe of those three, but I know some people out there who like Cox better.

The one reaction I kept hearing was, "I've got to go back and watch more tape." I have a couple of real good contacts in the SEC who cover Memphis, who cover the SEC teams and nobody thought Poe was better than Brockers.

[VACowboy]

So, if this is true, can you trade down, add a third-rounder and get Cox in the 18-20 range?

[dmq]

I hope we don't reach for a guy because he runs fast in his underware.

[marchetta]

Originally Posted by VACowboy

So, if this is true, can you trade down, add a third-rounder and get Cox in the 18-20 range?

No. We'd be lucky if Cox "dropped" to #14. I don't think he'll make it past #10, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Originally Posted by dmq

I hope we don't reach for a guy because he runs fast in his underware.

Or, runs slow, or looks good, in his underwear. As would be the case with Brockers. Neither Brocker's, or Poe's, on field play warrant a 1st rd pick. There all being hyped based on potential. We can't risk a draft pick based on mediocre play and potential. Cox, however, clearly is a top-10 talent, and deserves serious consideration @ #14.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by marchetta

No. We'd be lucky if Cox "dropped" to #14. I don't think he'll make it past #10, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


Or, runs slow, or looks good, in his underwear. As would be the case with Brockers. Neither Brocker's, or Poe's, on field play warrant a 1st rd pick. There all being hyped based on potential. We can't risk a draft pick based on mediocre play and potential. Cox, however, clearly is a top-10 talent, and deserves serious consideration @ #14.

FWIW the Brockers of last year was Tyron Smith. He showed up lean and well over 300 and had the same scouts drooling.

Smith had never played LT at all. Yet he not only started for us year 1 but was the best OL we had and now gets to go play LT....

We arent drafting kids for a 7th grade team and taking the players who can help most this season. We are drafting for 5 years so will take the tall kinda goofy kid who may not be very good year 1 but will dominate in a couple season.

I get that we want guys who can actually play football but you also have to project them forward. Some of these guys have received top notch coaching forever and been to ever position camp and elite Nike camp offered. Others may have played at Memphis....

[visionary]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

I agree and if they haven't been posted yet I will post them to share the info smokescreen or not

please continue to do so and ignore the doubters

many of us appreciate it

[cowboysooner]

Originally Posted by jterrell

FWIW the Brockers of last year was Tyron Smith. He showed up lean and well over 300 and had the same scouts drooling.

Smith had never played LT at all. Yet he not only started for us year 1 but was the best OL we had and now gets to go play LT....

We arent drafting kids for a 7th grade team and taking the players who can help most this season. We are drafting for 5 years so will take the tall kinda goofy kid who may not be very good year 1 but will dominate in a couple season.

I get that we want guys who can actually play football but you also have to project them forward. Some of these guys have received top notch coaching forever and been to ever position camp and elite Nike camp offered. Others may have played at Memphis....

I agree with your sentiment about measuring for 5 years or longer.

Cox has production against good competition and is uber athletic. He is a true junior so he should continue to develop. I think he fits as a 3-4 end perfectly. There is an 80% chance that guy becomes a good player.

Poe has little statistical production but plays a position that is not measured very well with tackles, sacks and pressure. He is a risky pick, but nobody with his measurables has ever failed. The problem is that it is a pool of about 2 guys Solai and Ngata so it is not a sure bet. However, the potential is there to be a top 10 defensive lineman. You really have to do a ton of homework on him but he is likely worth the risk.

Brockers played at the best talent producing program but is developing as a player. He has added 70lbs in 3 years. He is a risk but I think he is a 4-3 defensive tackle. Ngata is the only guy that size or bigger who is a great 3-4 end and he is an explosive and strong freak.

[ABQcowboyJR]

The only thing i'm seeing the boys doing in round 1 is CB. Kirkpatrick or Gilmore @14, I could live with it.

[Idgit]

DE makes sense for us in the first, too. So many different directions we can go at 14 this year.

[burmafrd]

They REALLY need to fire that janitor.

[RS12]

I was also told that some teams just outside the top 10, one being the Cowboys, were pleased by LSU defensive lineman Michael Brockers' less-than-spectacular Combine numbers.

Uh oh. I want alot more explosion than Brockers has shown so far.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by ThreeandOut

People are high on Poe because of what he did at the combine, but Bunting seems to like Brockers better. Here are a few comments from him in a recent Vela article.

Overall he [Poe] worked out better than [Michael] Brockers. I still think Brockers is a much better prospect, and the scouts I talked to all ranked it Brockers, Cox, Poe of those three, but I know some people out there who like Cox better.

The one reaction I kept hearing was, "I've got to go back and watch more tape." I have a couple of real good contacts in the SEC who cover Memphis, who cover the SEC teams and nobody thought Poe was better than Brockers.

if you think Poe did nothing in college, wait until you watch brockers

[realtick]

Originally Posted by jterrell

FWIW the Brockers of last year was Tyron Smith. He showed up lean and well over 300 and had the same scouts drooling.

Smith had never played LT at all. Yet he not only started for us year 1 but was the best OL we had and now gets to go play LT....

We arent drafting kids for a 7th grade team and taking the players who can help most this season. We are drafting for 5 years so will take the tall kinda goofy kid who may not be very good year 1 but will dominate in a couple season.

I get that we want guys who can actually play football but you also have to project them forward. Some of these guys have received top notch coaching forever and been to ever position camp and elite Nike camp offered. Others may have played at Memphis....

Brockers is the Tyron Smith of this year?

No. No, he isn't.

Tyron was an established dominant player at USC and a freakish athlete. Brocker is not considered nearly as a productive player and it turns out his one calling card (his purported athleticism) is bunk. He's a poor athlete; the combine numbers are very disappointing, not average....disappointing.