Is this the first 13?

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0IaNI-3sw4

about the 1:30 mark and just watch

I'm sure he had but this one play killed me when I saw it.
He battles on the line and move around on the line, but I never see him be a impact player. Top 15 for me, others are different but I want my guy to be a impact player.

at the 2:30 mark about he gets cut, goes to the ground get up and makes a good play in the back field on the RB.

I can guarantee you that you watch "film" in a completely different way than scouts and talent evaluators do. You've become fixated on one play, from one game, from one season.

What I took away from that video is how embarrassing the entire Memphis defense is. They are terribly coached with not much talent. Every time the opposing QB drops back, he finds an open receiver in no time.

They lost that game 47-3. all 47 scored in the first 3 quarters before they shut it down. Memphis averaged 2.2 yards per rushing attempt and 6.7 yards per reception. They were clearly overmatched.

If you want to base your opinion of his ability off this one youtube video, feel free though. I think real coaching and real talent around him could work wonders. He'd have both here.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

No offense, but Mayock has watched plenty of Poe tape and thinks he's a top 10 talent.

Are you suggesting the average yokel on here is a lesser evaluator and has less access to tape than Mayock??? pshaw!!!!
NEVER!!!

lol

The draft zone is one area I wish was actually archived and searchable.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by TheCount

I can guarantee you that you watch "film" in a completely different way than scouts and talent evaluators do. You've become fixated on one play, from one game, from one season.

What I took away from that video is how embarrassing the entire Memphis defense is. They are terribly coached with not much talent. Every time the opposing QB drops back, he finds an open receiver in no time.

They lost that game 47-3. all 47 scored in the first 3 quarters before they shut it down. Memphis averaged 2.2 yards per rushing attempt and 6.7 yards per reception. They were clearly overmatched.

If you want to base your opinion of his ability off this one youtube video, feel free though. I think real coaching and real talent around him could work wonders. He'd have both here.

No I based my opinon on watching him in person, but what ever you can have your own. I agree that Memphis defense is bad. To each his own. If some want to think he is a top 10 pick and is worth it then go right ahead. I think he is a late first round pick, he may go top 10 but I don't think he is a impact player and IMO, which everyones is different, I don't think he is worth a top 10 pick, but many players taht wasn't worth a top 10 or 15 pick went that high.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Are you suggesting the average yokel on here is a lesser evaluator and has less access to tape than Mayock??? pshaw!!!!
NEVER!!!

lol

The draft zone is one area I wish was actually archived and searchable.

So if I was on TV saying this you would listen, just because Mayock get s paid from the NFL network he is the almight scout. I guess Warren Sapp, Dieon Snaders, Jamie Dukes, and Marshall Faulk are never wrong.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

So if I was on TV saying this you would listen, just because Mayock get s paid from the NFL network he is the almight scout. I guess Warren Sapp, Dieon Snaders, Jamie Dukes, and Marshall Faulk are never wrong.

No, if you were on tv i wouldn't listen to you then, either.

I respect Mayock's opinion more than any other draft "expert" because to me, he's proven that he knows what the heck he's talking about more than most other guys. I watch the draft on NFL Network instead of ESPN mainly just for him and because i can't stand the Kiper/Berman combo of sillyness.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

So if I was on TV saying this you would listen, just because Mayock get s paid from the NFL network he is the almight scout. I guess Warren Sapp, Dieon Snaders, Jamie Dukes, and Marshall Faulk are never wrong.

You are just the guy in this thread not the only one pretending to be a super scout. We all make evaluations of guys or we wouldn't be here in the draft zone. But it has gotten to the point of hilarity.

Memphis was terrible last year and even Mayock admitted watching very little tape until Poe blew up at the combine.

If you had 10+ games of tape on Poe I'd buy what you are selling a lot easier than if you watched him once or twice in his career. The fact you are talking about a 350 pound guy in a pass rush situation is all I need to know to understand you are not really a scout. Those types of guys make 10 million a year and average 2 sacks a season....

Poe is hardly my ideal choice and I have no idea if he is boom or bust. But he is a truly rare physical specimen and he actually plays a position of immense value so is the type of guy Dallas has to triple-check.

[cowboysooner]

Originally Posted by jterrell

You are just the guy in this thread not the only one pretending to be a super scout. We all make evaluations of guys or we wouldn't be here in the draft zone. But it has gotten to the point of hilarity.

Memphis was terrible last year and even Mayock admitted watching very little tape until Poe blew up at the combine.

If you had 10+ games of tape on Poe I'd buy what you are selling a lot easier than if you watched him once or twice in his career. The fact you are talking about a 350 pound guy in a pass rush situation is all I need to know to understand you are not really a scout. Those types of guys make 10 million a year and average 2 sacks a season....

Poe is hardly my ideal choice and I have no idea if he is boom or bust. But he is a truly rare physical specimen and he actually plays a position of immense value so is the type of guy Dallas has to triple-check.

I agree with this. The Poe interview is the most important part of the evaluation because you are betting on him working hard to get better. Most likely, he will not be an instant impact guy.

Phil Taylor was way undervalued last year and was one of the best picks of the first round of a very good draft.

[cowboysooner]

I hate saying trade back in these scenarios, but that's what I would try to do. I would be targeting Cox and Ingram or possibly Mercilus. I really like the 2nd and 3rd round guards so I'd be hesitant to pull the lever for DeCastro. I think Perry may be the best pass rusher or defensive end but I don't think he is a scheme fit. Brockers scares me. He may be Tyson Jackson.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

No I based my opinon on watching him in person, but what ever you can have your own. I agree that Memphis defense is bad. To each his own. If some want to think he is a top 10 pick and is worth it then go right ahead. I think he is a late first round pick, he may go top 10 but I don't think he is a impact player and IMO, which everyones is different, I don't think he is worth a top 10 pick, but many players taht wasn't worth a top 10 or 15 pick went that high.

Well that's good, because we don't have a Top 10 pick. I don't know who said anything about taking him in the Top 10.

What did you see when you watched him in person? Who were the opposing teams in the games you saw?

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by TheCount

Well that's good, because we don't have a Top 10 pick. I don't know who said anything about taking him in the Top 10.

What did you see when you watched him in person? Who were the opposing teams in the games you saw?

Mocks are saying he is a top 10. Someone on here said Mayock has him top 10. Alot of these sites have him as a top 10 pick right after the combine. He is already starting to fall out of the top 10 by some of those same sites.

I went to the Marshall game so I could also see Curry play. I didn't want to make the 3 hour drive to just see him.
It was only one game but I was only watching him and Curry that game.
Curry was more impressive, curry had a sack and a ackle for loss, I think he also blcked a kick.
Poe just stood up in the middle, I don't remember any tackle for a loss or sacks. I got bored with him when I kept seeing him stand up. Memphis moved him around and he got pressure at times but he was used more of a middle of the line stopper. He had alot of group tackles when Marshall ran the ball up the middle.

It was only one game but he didn't stand out to me in a big way. He was far away better than everyone else and I kept wondering why is he not on the Vols sorry DL. I think he has great potential I just don't think you draft top 15 on just potential and combine numbers. Late 1st it's not as big of a risk. I would just rather use my top 15 pick on a safer player that I know can come in and play right away. But thats just my wau of thinking everyone is different.