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[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by sonnyboy

Great posts. But don't you feel FS and OC are the top two needs?

As far as the fans who would dislike this approach, I think the reason is simple. They lack patience.

FS is a need but there just isn't anyone outside of Barron who can help us this year IMO and I'd rather trade down than draft Barron as he's overrated this year due to the lack of safety talent. I'd take Harrison Smith at the bottom of the second but he'll probably go in the late first where I think there are better players available at other positions.

We have Poole for the year and we probably should pick up a developmental player for the position as I don't think Church will ever be a viable option as a starter. We actually may be best off just trying to fill this need in FA next year.

In the draft, perhaps we could target Dennard if he falls to the 4th round. Maybe a guy like Antonio Allen is worth it is a late round pick.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

Now as for the CB issue we have Carr. Jenkins is hurt - who knows if he is going to even be ready at the start of the season. He had extensive shoulder surgery and that is a very complicated joint prone to complications from major surgeries. The next part to consider is that he is a FA and we may choose not to re-sign him due to injury concerns or cost concerns if he can command a $11M/yr deal in the open market next year. If that is the case we are down to only Carr and Scandrick. As for Scandrick I just don't think he is very good and we should seek to upgrade that position. He is always chasing in man coverage and makes very few plays on the ball even when he is in position. Scandrick best suits a zone-based scheme but this is not what we run and he is a major liability anytime we want press against 3-WR lineups.

[View Full Quote]I would suggest in the first 3 rounds getting 5 picks through trade downs and trying to come up with 1 DE, 1 OLB, 1 OG, 1 CB and then one other player where value and need match up well - maybe a #3WR/KR, another CB, second TE, Safety, another DE or another OL in roughly that order of preference.

I saw your mock and would be fine with it as well. Love Mercilus and Silatolu.
Corner is the most interesting position for me going into the draft, if they pick one in the first three rounds than it signals an ominous diagnosis for Jenkins' future. If they do not, than we should assume they are confident he will return to 100%. Having said that I did have Minnifield in this depth mock and think he's a guy who could contribute day one.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by sonnyboy

Great posts. But don't you feel FS and OC are the top two needs?

As far as the fans who would dislike this approach, I think the reason is simple. They lack patience.

I agree with Eskimo, just not sold on Barron. He will be servicable no question, but I don't see a dynamic element to his game.

Center is a tough one for me. Kowalski is a guy who really impressed me, but maybe the staff sees some flaws in his game that would be exposed over time because they sure were quick to give Costa his job back once he returned. I'm not as down on Costa as others, but they have to make the guy compete for the starting gig. Last year wasn't good enough.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

I saw your mock and would be fine with it as well. Love Mercilus and Silatolu.
Corner is the most interesting position for me going into the draft, if they pick one in the first three rounds than it signals an ominous diagnosis for Jenkins' future. If they do not, than we should assume they are confident he will return to 100%. Having said that I did have Minnifield in this depth mock and think he's a guy who could contribute day one.

Minnifield has been dropping like a rock - I've seen him in the 5th round in some mocks lately. I think we should take a serious look in the 4th and 5th if he is still there as you did in your mock. I actually think we should take two CBs - one at the bottom of the second and one later on. We should have at least five CBs on the roster. It is a shame they tried to sneak Josh Thomas on the PS last year. I think he could have been competing with Scadrick this year for #3 CB.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by cowboy_ron

Trading completely out of the first is a bad idea

Agree, there are going to be several blue chip players available at 14 this year and trading totally out of the first round and missing out on all of them would be dumb.

Stay put at 14 and get a blue chipper, thats the smart play here.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

Agree, there are going to be several blue chip players available at 14 this year and trading totally out of the first round and missing out on all of them would be dumb.

Stay put at 14 and get a blue chipper, thats the smart play here.

What if the blue chipper at 14 as only minimally better than who you could get in a trade down to #33 (second round) but you pick up two seconds and third rounder on your way down?

For example, some people have suggested Shea McClellin in the early second may not be a large step down from Melvin Ingram in the first. Some may prefer Shea because he is faster, taller and has longer arms.

I also just don't think there is a super blue-chipper at #14 or I would stay there and pick him. I like Coples but some have character concerns regarding him - he is the only guy I can see possibly falling to us.

[slomoxn]

This has to be a hypothetical wish or draft process. JG wouldn't be dumb enough and we already know what JJ can do with multiple picks... Bro 2009 called and said it wants it's draft back.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by slomoxn

This has to be a hypothetical wish or draft process. JG wouldn't be dumb enough and we already know what JJ can do with multiple picks... Bro 2009 called and said it wants it's draft back.

2009 was missing its first and third round picks so started at a gigantic disadvantage.

Then Jones decided to draft ST players and missed on the OL as per his usual protocol. Wade missed on the OLB who was a project player without a true pro position. I wouldn't use the trade down scenario as the cause of that bad draft.

This is a very deep draft but weak at the top. We can set ourselves up for several years of success if we knock it out of the park again like we did in 2010 and 2011.

[slomoxn]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

2009 was missing its first and third round picks so started at a gigantic disadvantage.

Then Jones decided to draft ST players and missed on the OL as per his usual protocol. Wade missed on the OLB who was a project player without a true pro position. I wouldn't use the trade down scenario as the cause of that bad draft.

This is a very deep draft but weak at the top. We can set ourselves up for several years of success if we knock it out of the park again like we did in 2010 and 2011.

I think going BPA and hoping that is Decastro is the right move but... I don't think your idea after reading the whole thread is bad I knd of like it. I guess my main issue is the GM pulling the strings. If its JG making the moves Im a lil more confident JJ with this mich wiggle room scars me. Lol

[fanfromvirginia]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

2009 was missing its first and third round picks so started at a gigantic disadvantage.

Then Jones decided to draft ST players and missed on the OL as per his usual protocol. Wade missed on the OLB who was a project player without a true pro position. I wouldn't use the trade down scenario as the cause of that bad draft.

This is a very deep draft but weak at the top. We can set ourselves up for several years of success if we knock it out of the park again like we did in 2010 and 2011.

Agreed. I normally hate trading down but I get the feeling we will A) get some good offers and B) have multiple guys who we love and expect to be there at or near the end of round one.

I'd still be very happy with DeCastro, Cox, Poe or Barron (in that order) but my dream scenario is to fleece some desperate team in a trade down and then grab McClellin or Konz (or Zeitler or Branch or Glenn) with the first and maybe another one of them with the next pick.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by fanfromvirginia

I would do it and grab McClellin, Konz, Mercilus, Branch, Zeitler or Glenn, in that order. And then at 45 I'd grab whoever on that list was there (excluding the two guard combo). If none of them drop, it's bpa from then on.

You may be able to get one of those guys at 33 (maybe Aeitler?), but none at 45, imo.

Therein lies the problem with trading all the way out of the 1st round.
You drop 2-3 tiers below where you were at 14. With a prety deep draft, I could see dropping 5-10 slots and still landing a stud. But by 33, the risk starts really going up.