Dontari Poe

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

But you don't understand is production doesn't mean stats. Raji was a beast at BC. He played vs top players ad held up the lines. Poe couldn't even do that in the conference USA. I like your idea but not Poe, he isn't the answer. I'm finetaking a NT in the 3rd to 5th and moving Rat over but this draft doesn't have a good NT in the 1st round.

Raji was a beast at BC w his 24 tackles and 3 sacks??

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by SDogo

He can but so can my neighbor who played Semi-Pro ball and is still running 335 after a light dinner.

IMO, we don't need that guy. I have no problem going that direction but I don't think it's needed. I'm not in that group that thinks we need a 320+ NT to squat over the center for this defense to be successful.

I agree with everything you have said sdog.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

Raji was a beast at BC w his 24 tackles and 3 sacks??

Man this is like talking to a 5 year old. Did you watch him play at BC or do you just look at stats. Production isn't just about stats. It's about his whole game. You must have never seen Poe play. I have two times in person. The guy couldn't even hold a single block no way he can hold a double team in the nfl

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

this is what you dont understand..he isnt asked to be an unblockable mosnter as a NT..NTs dont put up gaudy stats..Poes stats are quite similar to those of BJ Raji when Raji was at BC

Well, one guy was All-ACC for a few seasons and the other guy couldn't even stand out in Conference USA.

Also, if NTs don't put up awesome numbers, any difference in numbers at all should be pretty heavily considered.

Furthermore, if NTs don't put up awesome numbers they're obviously drafted based on something other than production such as how their tape looks, something that is without a doubt Poe's weakest area.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

Man this is like talking to a 5 year old. Did you watch him play at BC or do you just look at stats. Production isn't just about stats. It's about his whole game. You must have beer seen Poe play. I have two times in person. The guy couldn't even hold a single block no way he can hold a double team in the nfl

nobody is an absolute beast in college and wreaks havoc and generates 25 tackles and 3 sacks..you cant bull**** a bull****ter

[dantheman41]

Everyone is desperate for a true NT, but there isn't one in this draft. And everyone wants to appoint Dontari Poe because of his size, but he really isnt what we are looking for.

To be honest, I don't know if Ratliff would be a great fit at end. Doesn't have the length or size that you typically want from your end. Not convinced he would be as good as everyone thinks

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Well, one guy was All-ACC for a few seasons and the other guy couldn't even stand out in Conference USA.

Also, if NTs don't put up awesome numbers, any difference in numbers at all should be pretty heavily considered.

Furthermore, if NTs don't put up awesome numbers they're obviously drafted based on something other than production such as how their tape looks, something that is without a doubt Poe's weakest area.

if you are looking for a guy to play NT here that was a complete beast in college..then you have the wrong guy..im not suggesting Poe is that guy..im saying i think he can come in here and man the middle of this defense and open things up on the perimeter for ratliff

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by dantheman41

Everyone is desperate for a true NT, but there isn't one in this draft. And everyone wants to appoint Dontari Poe because of his size, but he really isnt what we are looking for.

To be honest, I don't know if Ratliff would be a great fit at end. Doesn't have the length or size that you typically want from your end. Not convinced he would be as good as everyone thinks

this is the absolute key to the equation..not Poe..Poe just needs to be steady..Rat needs to dominate at DE for it to make sense

[dantheman41]

Dontari Poe is not the freak of nature that everyone thinks he is. Because he ran a good 40 time? (Btw when is a DT ever going to run 40 yards?????) His 10 yard split time was below average, which is the most telling number for a defensive lineman. Him and Brockers should not be picked higher then 20th

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by neosapien23

Where do you think Ta'amu will go? I was thinking he could be the pick in the 2nd but am now thinking he could go in the lower end in first.

I'm thinking is a 3rd round pick. I wouldn't touch him before the 3rd. Thompson an the kid from BYU I like the most for NT. Kawan Short would be who I want next year.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by dantheman41

Dontari Poe is not the freak of nature that everyone thinks he is. Because he ran a good 40 time? (Btw when is a DT ever going to run 40 yards?????) His 10 yard split time was below average, which is the most telling number for a defensive lineman. Him and Brockers should not be picked higher then 20th

I saw a video somewhere where someone bashed him for his 3-cone because it was entirely awful.

I think it was on dcf's site. (why is his name blocked? Seriously, can't even type the guy's name?)

But IIRC, his 3-cone was like a half second slower than the average NFL player's 3-cone for players at his position.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by dantheman41

Dontari Poe is not the freak of nature that everyone thinks he is. Because he ran a good 40 time? (Btw when is a DT ever going to run 40 yards?????) His 10 yard split time was below average, which is the most telling number for a defensive lineman. Him and Brockers should not be picked higher then 20th

I agree, people get lost in stupid combine numbers and forget to watch football

[RS12]

• Although there is only a little more than a week to go until the first round, and draft boards for most teams have been fairly solidified, some prospects are still being much debated in war rooms, and few more so than Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe.

As noted here last week, and by several other draft-related sites, Poe isn't particularly productive on tape. But the equally-discussed element of his game is whether Poe, who has almost exclusively played in a 4-3 front, can transition to 3-4 nose tackle. "He's not classic," said the general manager of a 3-4 team. "If you want a guy to just eat up blockers, and not worry about the other stuff ... I don't know if he's the guy."

Then again, Baltimore tackle/end Haloti Ngata, the veteran to whom Poe is frequently compared, is hardly a nose tackle, and he's been chosen to the Pro Bowl four times.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

nobody is an absolute beast in college and wreaks havoc and generates 25 tackles and 3 sacks..you cant bull**** a bull****ter

You have no idea, your right about one thing, if you like Poe because you feel in love watching run and lft in tight clothes then you are a bull shutter.

Raji we a beast, he destroyed OLines and aused teams to game plan around him.

[dantheman41]

Originally Posted by RS12

• Although there is only a little more than a week to go until the first round, and draft boards for most teams have been fairly solidified, some prospects are still being much debated in war rooms, and few more so than Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe.

As noted here last week, and by several other draft-related sites, Poe isn't particularly productive on tape. But the equally-discussed element of his game is whether Poe, who has almost exclusively played in a 4-3 front, can transition to 3-4 nose tackle. "He's not classic," said the general manager of a 3-4 team. "If you want a guy to just eat up blockers, and not worry about the other stuff ... I don't know if he's the guy."

Then again, Baltimore tackle/end Haloti Ngata, the veteran to whom Poe is frequently compared, is hardly a nose tackle, and he's been chosen to the Pro Bowl four times.

If he were half player Ngata is, then I would say he is worth it. But sadly, I don't think he will be