I've listened to Stephen Jones talk twice

[junk]

Originally Posted by theogt

I'm becoming wary of Stephen Jones as an evaluator of talent and the needs of this team.

Shocking.

A guy who has never scouted or worked in personnel before getting a job from his Dad might not be a good evaluator of talent.

But, hey, he played college football so he is qualified.

[rkell87]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

I get what you're saying but im all for Fleener in round 2.


He is a Gronkowski clone and I would definetely give up a 2nd for Gronk spikes in Dallas.

I don't think he is a gronk clone at all, fleener is about 20 pounds shy of gronk, and 2/10ths of a second faster, and also carries a few durability concerns, which is in line with him being a little light for TE.

I think he is a faster jermichael finley(a lot faster) and that is a good player to have too

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

This.

I'm tired of this repeated failure - and that's just what it is, a failure - to impliment this two TE offense that's supposed to be the next big thing.

I've heard about it for about 6 years now and the fact is that the Cwoboys can't get it done.

New England can - and has - the Cowboys can't. Accept it.

And I'm tired of throwing resources down the well when the team has much bigger needs to fill.

New England has...but it was only recently with Gronk and Hernandez...prior to that they were drafting TEs like wild fire over the years. So I guess it is the idea that sooner or later they get it right which seems to be what the cowboys are trying to do...sooner or later get it right. But let's not act like New England is getting it right all the time concerning drafting TEs for the two te set when in truth they just got it right after many tries.

From 2000 to last year they have draft 10 TES. They have drafted two TEs in the same draft at least twice. Have spent 4 picks in the first 3 rounds for TEs and until the Gronk/Hernandez draft they have pretty much missed on the TEs they have drafted. The only other known names from those 10 TEs they have drafted is Ben Watson and Daniel Graham and they both have a combined total of 496 Recs for 5765 yards and 50 TDS....while Gronk/Hernandez already have a combined total of 256 rec for 3346 yards and 40 TDs.

Not exactly a model of drafting genius with Two TE sets until they finally did it with Gronk and Hernandez recently.

[InmanRoshi]

So we signed the premiere FB on the free agent market. Now we're looking at backup TEs and part time RBs in the end of Round 1. How many snaps a game are these guys going to see? 20? Has the NFL made a rule change that I'm not aware of that says offenses can now lineup with 12 men on the field?

It's becoming readily apparent that under Jason Garrett's Cowboys the defense will always be a complete afterthought. Backups and role players for offense gets priority over starting positions for defense. The important thing is that Jason has to maintain his "young offensive genius" reputation he's crafted. Then the next time the team doesn't make it to the playoffs because they lose 37-34 in an NFC East clincing title game the defensive coordinator can take the fall for fielding the bad unit.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Anyone worried we may go TE in the 2nd round and it won't be Fleener?

Yes.

Should have kept Bennett.

[Mash]

But Ive heard Phillips was such a better TE then Bennett

I really hope we dont pick Fleener in the 2nd round....especially if we go defense with our first pick....I like to see if we could get a solid OL prospect.

I thought for sure with the FB we signed ....that we wouldnt see as much of 2 TE formations.

I would of just given 2.5 mil to Bennett for one year like the Giants did instead of wasting another 2nd round pick on a TE

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

Yes.

Should have kept Bennett.

Yeah but he didn't want to be here. Cowboys matched New Yorks offer.


I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry if the Giants get Fleener.

[Teague31]

I had us taking Dwayne Allen in round 2 of my mock a few weeks back. Won't surprise me at all if we go TE early.

[TheSport78]

The only tight end I would take in round 2 is Coby Fleener.

If we select anyone else (Dwayne Allen, Orson Charles) I will be extremely disappointed.

This team needs to get stronger in the trenches. Round 2 should be OL or DL.

[reddyuta]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

So we signed the premiere FB on the free agent market. Now we're looking at backup TEs and part time RBs in the end of Round 1. How many snaps a game are these guys going to see? 20? Has the NFL made a rule change that I'm not aware of that says offenses can now lineup with 12 men on the field?

It's becoming readily apparent that under Jason Garrett's Cowboys the defense will always be a complete afterthought. Backups and role players for offense gets priority over starting positions for defense. The important thing is that Jason has to maintain his "young offensive genius" reputation he's crafted. Then the next time the team doesn't make it to the playoffs because they lose 37-34 in an NFC East clincing title game the defensive coordinator can take the fall for fielding the bad unit.

Exactly.a simple cost benefit analysis should tell them its not worth drafting a backup TE(to.Witten!) Is not worth it in the 2nd rd when we have.so many holes to fill.this looks like its coming from garrett.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

New England has...but it was only recently with Gronk and Hernandez...prior to that they were drafting TEs like wild fire over the years. So I guess it is the idea that sooner or later they get it right which seems to be what the cowboys are trying to do...sooner or later get it right. But let's not act like New England is getting it right all the time concerning drafting TEs for the two te set when in truth they just got it right after many tries.

From 2000 to last year they have draft 10 TES. They have drafted two TEs in the same draft at least twice. Have spent 4 picks in the first 3 rounds for TEs and until the Gronk/Hernandez draft they have pretty much missed on the TEs they have drafted. The only other known names from those 10 TEs they have drafted is Ben Watson and Daniel Graham and they both have a combined total of 496 Recs for 5765 yards and 50 TDS....while Gronk/Hernandez already have a combined total of 256 rec for 3346 yards and 40 TDs.

[View Full Quote]Not exactly a model of drafting genius with Two TE sets until they finally did it with Gronk and Hernandez recently.

Very true, excellent points. And great job with that research!



But, I would say that New England has done it without short-changing themselves at other positions as they have maintained a high level of success during that time.

I would not consider the current Cowboys as having that luxury.

[rags747]

No issues with a trade down into the early 20's and grabbing Fleener. Day 1 starter opp Witt and opens up the whole middle of the field. Offense becomes more prolific immediately. Def rnd 2 and 3 and we can come out of this draft with a minimum 2 starters and possibly 3.

[jterrell]

Stephen Jones is a football savvy guy.

He won't be on the radio discussing possible targets for round 1.

We may well reach for a TE in round 4 or 5 but it won't be our top pick I promise you. They could have kept Bennett or overpaid for Kellen Davis had they chose to.
That speak more to what they truly feel about back up TE then Stephen's pre-draft banter.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

So we signed the premiere FB on the free agent market. Now we're looking at backup TEs and part time RBs in the end of Round 1. How many snaps a game are these guys going to see? 20? Has the NFL made a rule change that I'm not aware of that says offenses can now lineup with 12 men on the field?

It's becoming readily apparent that under Jason Garrett's Cowboys the defense will always be a complete afterthought. Backups and role players for offense gets priority over starting positions for defense. The important thing is that Jason has to maintain his "young offensive genius" reputation he's crafted. Then the next time the team doesn't make it to the playoffs because they lose 37-34 in an NFC East clincing title game the defensive coordinator can take the fall for fielding the bad unit.

People that take seriously any TE talk are winding themselves up. Dallas isn't drafting TE/RB early.

Those are smokescreens.

Dallas would certainly consider TE/RB at 45. But no earlier. Do you really believe Jerry allows them to draft anyone who can't sell the new Nike jersey??

[ABQcowboyJR]

I like some of the guys later in this draft. I don't really understand them putting a high value on Marty B and then turning around and drafting more of a receiving threat tight end. I don't think we see a TE drafted tell the 3rd or later.