Pick 14: Gives us 3 Choices or Trade Down

[CowboyFan74]

Just like the title suggests, give us your Top three choices at 14 or trade down.

Feel free to add to my list of potential prospects at 14 here.

De Castro, Kirkpatrick, Mercilus, Ingram, Cox, Poe, Kuechly, Ingram, Coples, Reiff, Wright, Gilmore, Barron, Glenn, Brockers.

Am I missing anybody?

1) De Castro (Hos I think u have me convinced)
2) Reiff
3) Gilmore

Trade Down

Hey where is the countdown I'm getting anxious?

[Woods]

Originally Posted by CowboyFan74

Just like the title suggests, give us your Top three choices at 14 or trade down.

Feel free to add to my list of potential prospects at 14 here.

De Castro, Kirkpatrick, Mercilus, Ingram, Cox, Poe, Kuechly, Ingram, Coples, Reiff, Wright, Gilmore, Barron, Glenn, Brockers.

Am I missing anybody?

1) De Castro (Hos I think u have me convinced)
2) Reiff
3) Gilmore

Trade Down

Hey where is the countdown I'm getting anxious?

For me it's

1. Cox
2. Barron
3. DeCastro, esp if he can play OC.

I'm not interested in Coples or Brockers or Poe at 14. Wouldn't draft Upshaw at 14 either. Just so so on Kirkpatrick at 14 as well.

EDIT: After my top 3, it becomes much more difficult. Kuechley is probably the best prospect, though we already have B Carter. And after him either Mercilus or A Branch if we want a pass rusher. Not as sure on Ingram.

[tm1119]

MY top 3
DeCastro
Coples
Ingram
......Cox and Barron a close 4th and 5th.

[Fredd]

Originally Posted by CowboyFan74

Just like the title suggests, give us your Top three choices at 14 or trade down.

Feel free to add to my list of potential prospects at 14 here.

De Castro, Kirkpatrick, Mercilus, Ingram, Cox, Poe, Kuechly, Ingram, Coples, Reiff, Wright, Gilmore, Barron, Glenn, Brockers.

Am I missing anybody?

1) De Castro (Hos I think u have me convinced)
2) Reiff
3) Gilmore

Trade Down

Hey where is the countdown I'm getting anxious?

If these guys ALL happen to be there at #14, you trade down and get more picks while still getting a starter and very good player...but, if I were to give my top 3 of this list it would begrudgingly go:

1. Coples - still have faith in him despite the bad press of late
2. DeCastro - yikes, he looks like he will be good
3. Reiff - no way he is there, but grab him, put him at RT and move Free inside next to Smith? Grab a Center later in the draft....yummy

[Wulfman]

1. Barron
2. Cox (won't be there)
3. DeCastro (if you think either he or Bernadeau can play center)

Getting cute gets JJ in trouble. Just say no.

There is good depth at D-line in this draft, so someone should be available in the second or even third round that can come in and challenge/replace Coleman. Add in that Cox will likely be gone and the others listed have potential bust/developmental guy written on them, and I can't see addressing that position at #14.

Likewise, while DeCastro is certianly head and shoulders above the next best guy, the overall level of guards in this draft is pretty good, and I've heard several front office people saying that the dropoff from rounds 2-4 isn't that significant. So if you really want an interior O-lineman that can come in and push Costa/Bernadeau/Livings for starting time, one can be had.

But the dropoff from the best safety in the class to the second best is just as significant as the dropoff at guard, in my opinion, and the dropoff after Harrison Smith is significantly greater than the interior of the O-line. Harrison Smith is rated #50 on my board right now, although I have him sneaking into the end of the first round because of how quickly he's rising around the league and just how big the dropoff is behind him. The next highest rated safeties are Markelle Martin of Oklahoma and George Iloka from Boise State, and they are late third to early fourth round prospects.

Charley Casserly was saying something the other day that I've thought for some time, but hadn't actually heard a GM come out and say point blank. If you're looking at two prospects in round one, and you have them relatively equal, then you have to look at what will be available in the next round or two if you choose to go a certain way. If they go with DeCastro, odds are that Smith will be gone before #45, and they have to go through a year depending on Brodney Pool opposite Sensabaugh. Then we'll be having the "need for a safety" conversation again next year. If they go Barron with the pick, they can go with Kevin Zeitler, Ben Jones, Amini Silatolu, Jeff Allen, Kelechi Osemele, etc. in round 2 or 3 and have two potential starters at positions of significant need for the next 10 years.

If Barron is there, take him and then let the draft come to you in rounds 2-4 for the O-line and D-line.

[garyv]

I trust more than anybody:

1) Fletcher Cox
2) Mark Barron
3) David DeCastro

In that order if all 3 were gone and possibly even if DeCastro
is there we might look to trade down. However if Cox or Barron
is there at #14 one of them in that order will be the selection.

The more I think about it I have no problems with Fletcher Cox
or Mark Barron. I realize we need OL help but honestly I think
we can get some help in the 2nd through 4th Rounds.

[CowboyFan74]

Originally Posted by Wulfman

1. Barron
2. Cox (won't be there)
3. DeCastro (if you think either he or Bernadeau can play center)

Getting cute gets JJ in trouble. Just say no.

There is good depth at D-line in this draft, so someone should be available in the second or even third round that can come in and challenge/replace Coleman. Add in that Cox will likely be gone and the others listed have potential bust/developmental guy written on them, and I can't see addressing that position at #14.

Likewise, while DeCastro is certianly head and shoulders above the next best guy, the overall level of guards in this draft is pretty good, and I've heard several front office people saying that the dropoff from rounds 2-4 isn't that significant. So if you really want an interior O-lineman that can come in and push Costa/Bernadeau/Livings for starting time, one can be had.

[View Full Quote]But the dropoff from the best safety in the class to the second best is just as significant as the dropoff at guard, in my opinion, and the dropoff after Harrison Smith is significantly greater than the interior of the O-line. Harrison Smith is rated #50 on my board right now, although I have him sneaking into the end of the first round because of how quickly he's rising around the league and just how big the dropoff is behind him. The next highest rated safeties are Markelle Martin of Oklahoma and George Iloka from Boise State, and they are late third to early fourth round prospects.

Charley Casserly was saying something the other day that I've thought for some time, but hadn't actually heard a GM come out and say point blank. If you're looking at two prospects in round one, and you have them relatively equal, then you have to look at what will be available in the next round or two if you choose to go a certain way. If they go with DeCastro, odds are that Smith will be gone before #45, and they have to go through a year depending on Brodney Pool opposite Sensabaugh. Then we'll be having the "need for a safety" conversation again next year. If they go Barron with the pick, they can go with Kevin Zeitler, Ben Jones, Amini Silatolu, Jeff Allen, Kelechi Osemele, etc. in round 2 or 3 and have two potential starters at positions of significant need for the next 10 years.

If Barron is there, take him and then let the draft come to you in rounds 2-4 for the O-line and D-line.

I know many suggest that Barron would replace Pool but do you think it's possible they may be considering replacing Sensabaugh and sticking Barron at SS instead? I have a sneaking suspicion that may be the case....

[cowboysooner]

1) Cox
2) Coples
3) Ingram


4) Brockers
5) Barron
6) DeCastro
7) Nevermore
8) Gilmore

I like McClellan, Branch and Mercilus alot as a trade down guys.

On Coples, I still have not heard what the guy did or what his interview was like. I can just say from the tape, senior bowl and measurables he is way better than 14. Is he perfect on tape? No. But it looks better than lots of guys who had huge NFL success.

I am down on the Alabama guys because some of them are great but not all of them. I like Barron much better than the rest, but I don't see the explosive plays or the ability to run and cover like an Earl Thomas. The scheme and offenses he faced never challenged him as a junior. That's not his fault but it does take some projection. Kirkpatrick would be absolutely great in a cover 2 scheme. I can definitely see him as a Bear at 19 if they don't take pass rush. He had a ton of safety help from Lester and Barron.

[Western]

Originally Posted by Wulfman

1. Barron
2. Cox (won't be there)
3. DeCastro (if you think either he or Bernadeau can play center)

Getting cute gets JJ in trouble. Just say no.

There is good depth at D-line in this draft, so someone should be available in the second or even third round that can come in and challenge/replace Coleman. Add in that Cox will likely be gone and the others listed have potential bust/developmental guy written on them, and I can't see addressing that position at #14.

Likewise, while DeCastro is certianly head and shoulders above the next best guy, the overall level of guards in this draft is pretty good, and I've heard several front office people saying that the dropoff from rounds 2-4 isn't that significant. So if you really want an interior O-lineman that can come in and push Costa/Bernadeau/Livings for starting time, one can be had.

[View Full Quote]But the dropoff from the best safety in the class to the second best is just as significant as the dropoff at guard, in my opinion, and the dropoff after Harrison Smith is significantly greater than the interior of the O-line. Harrison Smith is rated #50 on my board right now, although I have him sneaking into the end of the first round because of how quickly he's rising around the league and just how big the dropoff is behind him. The next highest rated safeties are Markelle Martin of Oklahoma and George Iloka from Boise State, and they are late third to early fourth round prospects.

Charley Casserly was saying something the other day that I've thought for some time, but hadn't actually heard a GM come out and say point blank. If you're looking at two prospects in round one, and you have them relatively equal, then you have to look at what will be available in the next round or two if you choose to go a certain way. If they go with DeCastro, odds are that Smith will be gone before #45, and they have to go through a year depending on Brodney Pool opposite Sensabaugh. Then we'll be having the "need for a safety" conversation again next year. If they go Barron with the pick, they can go with Kevin Zeitler, Ben Jones, Amini Silatolu, Jeff Allen, Kelechi Osemele, etc. in round 2 or 3 and have two potential starters at positions of significant need for the next 10 years.

If Barron is there, take him and then let the draft come to you in rounds 2-4 for the O-line and D-line.

Excellent analysis.

[Wulfman]

Originally Posted by CowboyFan74

I know many suggest that Barron would replace Pool but do you think it's possible they may be considering replacing Sensabaugh and sticking Barron at SS instead? I have a sneaking suspicion that may be the case....

Nope, I don't think so. The Cowboys' defense under both Wade Phillips and Rob Ryan have used the safeties fairly interchangeably, so there really hasn't been a "true" SS or FS in terms of their roles on the field consistently. Rather, they have been changing based on the particular package and defensive alignment. This has been even more the case with the unique packages that Ryan has been implementing. If they want Barron to play more of a true SS role, however, I think Sensabaugh moves to play more FS and Pool is still on the outside looking in.

I think they start Barron next to Sensabaugh and take Pool to camp as injury insurance, with the reality that both Church and McCray make the team as back-ups for their special teams play. When the time comes for final cuts, if everyone is healthy and you have a better use for the 53rd spot on the roster, you release Pool so his veteran contract isn't guaranteed. They'd only be out the $100K they paid him in signing bonus, and the only other reason to keep him around would be his familiarity with Ryan's defense.

[Corleone]

1. DeCastro
2. Barron
3. Cox

but I don't want to trade down so Coples and Ingram would be my other two and I can't see all of these guys being gone. If so, THEN trade down.

[big dog cowboy]

Barron, Cox or DeCastro will be the pick at 14 and if two are there we might trade down if all 3 are there we will trade down.

[cowboy_ron]

1. DeCastro
2. Cox
3. Barron

[cowboysooner]

Originally Posted by CowboyFan74

I know many suggest that Barron would replace Pool but do you think it's possible they may be considering replacing Sensabaugh and sticking Barron at SS instead? I have a sneaking suspicion that may be the case....

I think it is possible that after a year they see Barron as a better guy to get involved with the run game which is not Sensenbaugh's long suit either. He is a great athlete for a strong safety but is not great at being a strong safety. I don't necessarily think they replace Sensy but they may change his position.

Demarco was Felix's replacement not Barber's

[dantheman41]

Originally Posted by cowboy_ron

1. DeCastro
2. Cox
3. Barron

Exactly what I think