Patriots Targeting Mark Barron

[cowboysooner]

The patriots are using a late 1st to generate an additional 2nd ound pick in each draft. They are essentially getting the second as perpetual interEst on a pick around 30.

[casmith07]

Originally Posted by jswalker1981

They still have Welker, Hernandez, and Gronkowski. I don't think a receiving option is something that is a first round priority.

Those guys proved to be pretty much nonfactors against the Giants, and the Giants don't have an all-world secondary.

They need someone that will legitimately command double teams by DBs on the outside. Maybe Lloyd can be that guy.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

The badly want a true outside WR. They have none right now and would like to have two.
That does not mean they'll get one inn Rd1, as there arte some good options in the next two rounds as well....or thier 31st pick would work.

You can tell that I'm all thumbs on my phone at times.
jeesh

Anyway, bottomline is they have two TEs and a slot receiver....no true outside WRs.

[Wulfman]

I realize that there is a drop-off from Barron to Harrison Smith, but enough for New England to trade both firsts? I don't think so.

I think they sit tight and get a pass-rusher and Smith with those two picks, assuming they don't trade one of them.

[jswalker1981]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

You can tell that I'm all thumbs on my phone at times.
jeesh

Anyway, bottomline is they have two TEs and a slot receiver....no true outside WRs.

Brandon Lloyd. In 2010, when he was with Denver with Josh McDaniels, he averaged 18.8 yards a reception. That is only second to Mike Wallace's 21 yard average of receivers with 60 or more catches. I think they'll be fine on the outside.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by SDogo

Hmmm, #14 is worth 1100

Patriots have #27 & #48 that's.........680+420........1100 hmmmmm

#27 Shea McClellin

Time to trade back up!

#45 + #81='s 635

49ers #30 = 600 (TRADE!)

#30 Peter Konz

Time to trade down and get that 3rd back!

#48 = 420 + #186 = 17 Total 437

Ravens #60 = 300 and #91 = 136 Total 436

#60 Jared Crick

#91 Ryan Broyles


Don't need to continue..........lol

Give me Silatolu or Zeitler instead of Konz and I'd love that draft.

The problem I have with Konz is the guy couldn't finish his last two seasons due to ankle injuries - not just minor ankle injuries either - he dislocated his ankle. He has significant shredding of his ligaments and bruising of his articular cartilage in an accident like that.

Now add a tendency to blood clots on top of a guy with a tendency to ankle injuries and you're just asking for trouble.

All the medical advisors to these teams thinking of drafting him in the first round need to be fired due to improper modeling of the risk inherent in this draft pick.

Nevertheless, I"d love McClellin, Zeitler, Crick and Broyles. I still think we should get a CB and maybe would prefer Brandon Boykin or Casey Heyward with the pick at #60 and another attempt to get a DE later in the draft - Bequette in the 4th? Hicks in the 5th?

[Manwiththeplan]

Despite what ever the draft chart says, NE will have a hard time finding someone to trade all the way back to 27. Most teams that pick in the top 10 or so want an immediate impact and that isn't a garuntee at 27. You'll get 2 good players no doubt, but you are not as likely to get an immediate impact.

Out of the teams that pick before us, I can see Arizona wanting to drop that far back since they don't have a second rounder, but that's it. Even then, I'm not sure if I wouldn't rather trade back with a SD or NYJ if I'm them.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Does this mean that they don't have a "real" GM either?

I think Belichick is the best head coach in the NFL...for now. yes, I am saying Garrett will assume that post one day. He has a long climb right now.

They have never had a "real GM" the way it is described on this forum. That does not and should not diminish the job Scott Pioli was doing. That is the reason I keep saying these guys are hung up on a title. Ultimately it is still the guy doing the bulk of the evaluations that is the guy truly having the impact or lack thereof, regardless of the title he carries.

I cannot figure out why that is so hard to accept. I have never said Jerry is a talent evaluator. Not one time. So how is that defending his role as one? It literally doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

I do have faith in Tom Ciskowski and Jason Garrett. That is where our faith should be. The hell with Jerry Jones and his figurehead title. It doesn't mean anything other than he wants the blame placed on him when we fail. So place it there. The buck stops there.

He is more of a football guy than his critics give him credit for, but he is not, and never has been a talent evaluator. I will stand by that and I know I am right.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I think Belichick is the best head coach in the NFL...for now. yes, I am saying Garrett will assume that post one day. He has a long climb right now.

They have never had a "real GM" the way it is described on this forum. That does not and should not diminish the job Scott Pioli was doing. That is the reason I keep saying these guys are hung up on a title. Ultimately it is still the guy doing the bulk of the evaluations that is the guy truly having the impact or lack thereof, regardless of the title he carries.

I cannot figure out why that is so hard to accept. I have never said Jerry is a talent evaluator. Not one time. So how is that defending his role as one? It literally doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

[View Full Quote]I do have faith in Tom Ciskowski and Jason Garrett. That is where our faith should be. The hell with Jerry Jones and his figurehead title. It doesn't mean anything other than he wants the blame placed on him when we fail. So place it there. The buck stops there.

He is more of a football guy than his critics give him credit for, but he is not, and never has been a talent evaluator. I will stand by that and I know I am right.

Right on. I think Jerry needs to keep the HC job steady rather than expecting immediate results.

[InmanRoshi]

Absolutely no to anything that involves dropping below 20. Goose said there are 21 players in this draft with 1st round grades, and there is a lull between 22-60 where everyone is grouped similarly. I don't think Goose is a great talent evaluator, but I think he has his pulse on NFL front offices as his track record shows. I'm not leaving this draft without one of those 21 first round caliber players. I didn't sit though an embarrassing, crappy non-playoff season with nothing but a couple of 3rd round caliber players to show for it. I've had enough of the Jason Williams/Robert Brewster drafts.

[CowboysYanksLakers]

I'm sorry but I'm not buying this for one sec...

[theogt]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Absolutely no to anything that involves dropping below 20. Goose said there are 21 players in this draft with 1st round grades, and there is a lull between 22-60 where everyone is grouped similarly. I don't think Goose is a great talent evaluator, but I think he has his pulse on NFL front offices as his track record shows. I'm not leaving this draft without one of those 21 first round caliber players. I didn't sit though an embarrassing, crappy non-playoff season with nothing but a couple of 3rd round caliber players to show for it. I've had enough of the Jason Williams/Robert Brewster drafts.

Actually, I think he said there are about 4-6 elite players and then there are about 20-25 additional players that are first round worthy. That makes it an extremely deep first round and one where the late first round/early second round picks are highly valuable relative to other years. If 25-30 players are truly first round quality, then you know that some teams will draft lower quality players high and hence a number of the first round quality players will fall. That means that there will be first round quality players drafted in the early 2nd round.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Absolutely no to anything that involves dropping below 20. Goose said there are 21 players in this draft with 1st round grades, and there is a lull between 22-60 where everyone is grouped similarly. I don't think Goose is a great talent evaluator, but I think he has his pulse on NFL front offices as his track record shows. I'm not leaving this draft without one of those 21 first round caliber players. I didn't sit though an embarrassing, crappy non-playoff season with nothing but a couple of 3rd round caliber players to show for it. I've had enough of the Jason Williams/Robert Brewster drafts.

The thing is that I don't really believe there is a sudden drop off from pick 20 to 21. It flies in the face of logic that there would be such a sharp drop off in ability at that point in the draft.

I'd need to see research proven over many years to suggest there is a marked difference in quality between players drafted say from positions 17-21 versus players drafted 22-26. If there were such a sharp cutoff I would expect 3 times as many Pro Bowlers in the first group compared to the second group. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I don't mind dropping out of the range but I want a rich package of picks to build back up all the weak spots on this roster. This is a very deep draft and I think we need to generate 3-4 quality starters from this group if we are going to put ourselves back into contention for a SB.

[Randy White]

Originally Posted by Hostile

This is just my opinion, but the Patriots try to get too cute with their Drafts. Every year it looks like they are the big winners because they have extra 1st round picks next year. But if they never actually take players with those extra picks then what exactly are they doing that is so right?

I've been saying the same thing for a while now. I understand the concept of " keeping your powder dry " ( Jerry's own phrase ), but at some point you have to s or get off the pot. They're the perfect example against people who argue that the draft should be conducted " this way " or " that way ". There is no " sure way " to conduct a draft. All systems, theories, procedures, methods... whatever.., have flaws.

Today in the NFL network I heard coach Billick say that " need is the worse evaluator in the draft ", which is UTTERLY ridiculous. The draft's primary function IS to fill " needs ". Now, to use " need " as the sole factor to make a pick is not smart and would most probably fail more times than not, but " need " is just as important as any other factor that's taken into consideration when making a pick.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by dgr81

CSN New England's Tom Curran is hearing from multiple sources that the Patriots would target Alabama S Mark Barron if they made a trade to move up in the draft.

The Pats certainly have a need opposite Patrick Chung. They also have the ammo to trade up from No. 27, but they would have to give up quite a bit to move in front of the Cowboys at No. 14. As SI.com's Peter King suggested early in the week, Barron's stock is steadily on the rise.

Apr 19 - 5:29 PM
Source: CSN New England

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7497/mark-barron

Draft picks are worth more now with a rookie cap, so the old draft chart is useless.

For pick 14, I would want #27, #31, and a 3rd next year.


If that price is too high, I stay put and draft Barron or DeCastro if available.