Go Back   Dallas Cowboys Forum - CowboysZone.com > Other Forums > Archive Forums > 2005 Archives > 2005 Draft Zone

Cowboys Chat: 0 user(s) online


Home  |  Fan Zone  |  News Zone  |  Draft Zone  |  Off-topic Zone  |  Forum Rules  |  Chat  |  ** Change Graphics **

 
 
Display Modes Thread Tools
Old 04-10-2005   #16
SDogo
Not as good as I once was but as good once as I ever was.
 
SDogo's Avatar
 
Joined:
Feb 2005
Location:
Falconer, NY
Posts:
13,894
Default

Dallas gave up to much in this draft and did not get enough back.
Quote:
It takes a genius to whine appealingly.
SDogo is offline  
Old 04-10-2005   #17
Phrozen Phil
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
Sylvan Lake, Alb
Posts:
3,692
Default

San Francisco 49ers draft was interesting, but not nearly as creative as many of the others. I was able to have input on the picks until round four, but thought that Mathis was a value pick at that point.

1. San Francisco- Braylon Edwards WR (Michigan)
33. San Francisco- Corey Webster CB (LSU)
65. San Francisco- Eric Shelton RB (Louisville)
102. San Francisco- Evan Mathis (Alabama)

????
137. San Francisco- OT Sam Lightbody (Washington State) lol

I probably "asked" for that pick as I was trying to goad Cobra into a "Super Sleeper" pick. Serves me right.

I was torn between taking Shelton or McPherson in round three as I do see the 49ers as needing QB help. I'm not convinced that Rodgers or Smith are good value that early in the draft. Frankly, I'm not sure any of the first rounders are worth the #1 over all.Some of you guys get to wrestle with the issue again this coming weekend. It will be interesting to follow along. Just remember to have fun with it.

Again, my thanks to everyone involved, especially Avery and CBZ40. My apologies to Cobra and whoever else's draft board I screwed up. Trust me guys, the real draft may mess with our minds yet again.
The Truth will STILL not be the first casualty of war

Phrozen Phil is offline  
Old 04-10-2005   #18
RESIN8
Senior Member
 
RESIN8's Avatar
 
Joined:
Mar 2005
Posts:
950
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrozen Phil

????
137. San Francisco- OT Sam Lightbody (Washington State) lol
He was our mr irrelevant
RESIN8 is offline  
Old 04-10-2005   #19
Phrozen Phil
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
Sylvan Lake, Alb
Posts:
3,692
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeOfLegends
Dallas gave up to much in this draft and did not get enough back.
I beg to differ:

#20 - Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
#42 - Daryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia
#59 - Barrett Ruud, ILB, Nebraska
#109 - Brandon Jacobs, RB, Southern Illinois
#111 - Oshiomogho Atogwe - S, Stanford
2006 1st round pick from Baltimore
2006 2nd round pick from Atlanta
2006 2nd round pick from Minnesota
2006 5th round pick from Baltimore

We get three starters, possibly four, if Atogwe pans out. Spears is versatile enough to play either a 3-4 or 4-3 end. The two LB's provide the flexibility to shift to either scheme. Jacobs provides the backup RB who will be able to be a power runner. If there's a weaknes in these selections, then we might point to the lack of a WR. Let's keep in mind that the Cowboys would still have picks in three more rounds in a draft that is deep in WR's.

The real value in this mock are the early picks in the 2006 draft. Rankly, if the Cowboys were to really pull this off, it would be a dream. 4 picks in the first 64 picks would provide some incredible ammunition and allow for a host of options.

Not enough back? What were you expecting?
The Truth will STILL not be the first casualty of war

Phrozen Phil is offline  
Old 04-10-2005   #20
Qwickdraw
Banned
 
Joined:
Jan 2005
Location:
VA
Posts:
5,451
Default

I agree.
While the Cowboy fan in me would like to see another "Big Name" guy drafted by Dallas to take the field immediately... you have to remember that Dallas had only 4 picks in these 4 rounds initially.
Avery parlayed those 4 picks into 5 potential starters at positions of need and 4 draft picks next year.

Turned 4 picks into 9 picks and only 1 is post-4th rounder. Under this outcome, Dallas has 2 first rounders, 3 second rounders, 1 third rounder, 1 4th rounder and 2 5th rounders in 2006. not bad.
Not bad at all. Good job Avery.

Last edited by Qwickdraw : 04-10-2005 at 11:44 PM.
Qwickdraw is offline  
Old 04-10-2005   #21
Qwickdraw
Banned
 
Joined:
Jan 2005
Location:
VA
Posts:
5,451
Default

ROUND 1 STATS:

OFFENSIVE SELECTIONS
15

DEFENSIVE SELECTIONS
17

MOST POPULAR SCHOOL SELECTED
Michigan- 3
Oklahoma- 3
Auburn- 3
Wisconsin- 2
Texas- 2
USC- 2
Georgia- 2
Florida State- 2
Wisconsin- 2
All others- 1

MOST POPULAR POSITION SELECTED
DE- 6*
CB- 5
WR- 5
DT- 4
RB- 3
OT- 3
QB- 2
S- 1
TE- 1
OG- 1
OLB- 1
MLB- 0

*= some DEs chosen may be OLB in pros
Qwickdraw is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #22
Tobal
Senior Member
Years Donated
2004
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
Amarillo
Posts:
1,761
Default

I have no problem trading a few spaces at a time, but falling to end of round 1 makes us pretty passive.

Then again 2006 is setup rather nicely, but while we'll have ammo to move up to get people they'll also know about all the ammo we have and want a kings ransom. Eventually you have to take top notch talent when you can.

2005 equals 1 solid starter, 2 guys who might get on the field when we are in the 3-4

2006 looks to be two pretty late 1st's (we hope) and 3 late 2nds.

If the picks turn out wahoooo, but there is a bigger margin for error than I like.

There is a reason you have a guy at 11 on your board he's better than the guy you have at number 27.

Last edited by Tobal : 04-11-2005 at 12:13 AM.
Tobal is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #23
SDogo
Not as good as I once was but as good once as I ever was.
 
SDogo's Avatar
 
Joined:
Feb 2005
Location:
Falconer, NY
Posts:
13,894
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobal
I have no problem trading a few spaces at a time, but falling to end of round 1 makes us pretty passive.

Then again 2006 is setup rather nicely, but while we'll have ammo to move up to get people they'll also know about all the ammo we have and want a kings ransom. Eventually you have to take top notch talent when you can.

2005 equals 1 solid starter, 2 guys who might get on the field when we are in the 3-4

2006 looks to be two pretty late 1st's (we hope) and 3 late 2nds.

If the picks turn out wahoooo, but there is a bigger margin for error than I like.

There is a reason you have a guy at 11 on your board he's better than the guy you have at number 27.
That's my problem if your going to trade #11 then trade down a little and use the 20 to trade out of round 1. Dropping from #11 and leaving yourself with only the 20 this year is to much of a risk.
Quote:
It takes a genius to whine appealingly.
SDogo is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #24
k19
Senior Member
 
k19's Avatar
Years Donated
2005, 2012
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Posts:
2,954
Default Cleveland Browns

The Browns have more needs than they do picks. Not being able to move down from the third spot didn't exactly help things much either. None of the Defensive players warranted a pick as high as 3 in my book and I figure with the Baltimore influences the new drafts strategy was Best Player Available regardless of position. As much as they need impact players they also need quality depth as well. Quality over quantity was the mindest of this draft.

Round 1
Mike Williams WR USC

Strengths: Great size...Very good hands...A terror in the red zone...Has a nose for the end zone...Will out-leap and out-muscle any cornerback...Put up some huge numbers and was the star on a National Championship team.
Weaknesses: Lacks excellent pure speed...Only played two years of college football...Needs to refine his overall game...Must master the nuances of the position...Will have to shake off the rust after not playing in 2004.

Talent like this don't come around every year. The combination of Williams, Bryant, and Winslow could cause some serious problems for opposing D's especially if the running game develops with Suggs and Droughns


Round 2
Odell Thurman

Strengths: Good natural athletic ability...Has good speed and quickness...Brings a lot of toughness to the position...Good tackler...Moves and changes direction well...Still improving and has a lot of potential.
Weaknesses: Has had some off the field trouble as recently as the '04 season when he was suspended early on...Has only average size...Doesn't have a lot of experience...Raw and far from a finished product.
Notes: Has a lot of potential and has played well...Still has a lot of question marks surrounding him...Had a rough upbringing with both of his parents passing away and came out early to support his family.

This one wasn't my pick and wasn't even on my board at the time. My first choice was actually Brodney Poole, followed By Darryl Blackstock, Kevin Burnett, and finally Channing Crowder. For whatever reason I didn't get my picks.

Round 3
Jason Campbell

Strengths: Has excellent size...Has a big league arm and can make all the throws...Top natural athletic ability...Can run and scramble a little...Solid character and a hard worker...Still has a lot of upside and potential and may have turned the corner in 2004.
Weaknesses: Has been very inconsistent throughout his career...Doesn't read defenses well...Holds onto the ball too long and doesn't have a great feel for the pass rush...Makes poor decisions...Has to work on his technique and mechanics...Was aided by a tremendous running attack and great defense.
Notes: Highly touted recruit who finally began living up to his potential as a senior after a very up and down career...Was a one year wonder but has all the physical tools and will likely be among the top handful of signal callers drafted...Boom or bust type of prospect.

This was the QB I had my eye on the whole draft. Feeling Campbell was just as good and had just as much upside as the top 2 QB's he was an excellent pick at 67

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernie's Insiders... Draft Brew
I certainly know I would not mind having a 6’4’ 233 lbs, strong armed and mobile QB, who had 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years, STILL had a completion percentage over 61% every one of those years, AND led his team to an undefeated season his senior year . That was certainly a mouth full. What it does is shows exactly why Campbell might not be the top QB in this draft overall but might just be the best fit for the Cleveland Browns and this team’s future.http://mb8.scout.com/bbrownsinsider]
Round 4
Jonathan Goddard DE Marshall

Strengths: Highly productive and one of the top sack artists in the country as a senior...Very athletic...Has good speed and a burst to close on the quarterback...Has a strong upper body...Very quick off the line...Instinctive.
Weaknesses: Vastly undersized, both in terms of height as well as weight...Will be a liability against the run...Will likely only be a situational pass rusher in the pro ranks.
Notes: Really put himself on the map with an outstanding senior campaign...Won't be a high draft pick but the NFL is always looking for pass rushers which will get him more than a look...Could project to OLB in the NFL, especially in a 3-4 defensive scheme.

Although it was against "lesser" competition Goddard was still tops in the NCAA last year in sacks with 16. First in Sacks, 2nd in Forced fumbles and second in tackles for loss last season alone.
TACKLES 78.0
SACKS 16.0
TACKLES FOR LOSS 28.0
FUMBLES FORCED 5.0
1 interception, 3 fumbles recovered, 2 touchdowns, 5 pass breakups, 1 punt block
I think he's be a perfect fit for a 3-4 OLB and IMHO a steal in the 4th
k19 is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #25
Encore
Never Enough
 
Encore's Avatar
 
Joined:
Sep 2004
Location:
Southern Cal
Posts:
568
Default

Cheifs: Team Needs - WR, CB, DL, LB

1st Round - CB: Carlos Rogers.
- With Antrel Rolle and Pac Man Jones already off the board at pick #15 the Cheifs stood their ground and went with the next Corner Back on thier list and selected Carlos Rogers. He's been riseing on many draft boards and some have him rated higher then Pac Man and even Rolle. With the uncertainess of the trade for Surtain they had to select him.

2nd Round - DE: Chris Canty
- With the depature of Hoilday the Chiefs knew they'd have to sure up the line and pick someone to fill the spot or compete with last year's rookie. He'll fit right in.

3rd Round - ILB: Kirk Morrison
- Although not the biggest ILB he'll fit in fine. With the questions on the injury front of Shawn Barber and Scott Fugitia the Cheifs needs to select a LB in case they don't come back at 100%.

4th Round - WR: Mark Bradley
- A sleep on some people's list. He shined bright on Cheifs Board. Coming on strong he's senior year. He's the type of Explosive player that Trent Green can get the ball to. Being 6'1 running a 4.4 he can stretch the field or come across the middle.

Soild Draft I thought.. When going by Team Need.
Encore is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #26
Qwickdraw
Banned
 
Joined:
Jan 2005
Location:
VA
Posts:
5,451
Default

I think the Campbell pick to Cleveland was a very good value.
Qwickdraw is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #27
jterrell
Penguinite
 
jterrell's Avatar
Years Donated
2004, 2005, 2006
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Posts:
16,295
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31
Minnesota:
1: Derrick Johnson
2: Dan Cody
3: Reggie Brown
4: Mike Nugent
5: J.J. Arrington
6: Chris Kemoeatu
7: Ronald Fields
8: James Butler

8 picks in 4 rounds

Miinesota's draft >>> Your draft
Picks 5 through 8 were excellent!
But I still don't know what any team saw Thursday night that would have made them comfortable with waiting a round or two for the offensive lineman they wanted. ---Todd McShay
We just converted half our LB to DL. We have a 30m starting DL, it better be pretty friggin good.
jterrell is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #28
jterrell
Penguinite
 
jterrell's Avatar
Years Donated
2004, 2005, 2006
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Posts:
16,295
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avery
Your Dallas Cowboys:

#20 - Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
#42 - Daryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia
#59 - Barrett Ruud, ILB, Nebraska
#109 - Brandon Jacobs, RB, Southern Illinois
#111 - Oshiomogho Atogwe - S, Stanford
2006 1st round pick from Baltimore
2006 2nd round pick from Atlanta
2006 2nd round pick from Minnesota
2006 5th round pick from Baltimore
Best draft by far IMHO.
A 1st and 2 2nds next year is worth a ton.
The 5 selections could all start as they not only meet needs but appear to be BP type guys. Jacobs seems to be exactly the FB BP wants and could be a single back as JJ gets rests. This draft sets up everything up for the 3-4. With Shanle and Thornton you get a solid LB group of young LBs to team with Singleton and Dat.
But I still don't know what any team saw Thursday night that would have made them comfortable with waiting a round or two for the offensive lineman they wanted. ---Todd McShay
We just converted half our LB to DL. We have a 30m starting DL, it better be pretty friggin good.
jterrell is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #29
Avery
The Dog that Saved Charleston
 
Avery's Avatar
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
Herriman, UT
Posts:
7,158
Default

I wanted to point out that at #11, DJ and Merriman were both gone. The best value on the board was Pac Man who plays the same position as Henry who we just gave a fat contract to. I felt that trading out was the best option seeing as how Barron would have been the pick otherwise and that this is a deep draft with second and third tier guys.

You guys watch watch Ruud this year and you'll wonder how this guy slipped to #59.

Only downside is lack of a WR but it was stretching to grab one plus I feel we can survive with Glenn, Morgan, KJ, etc. for another year. With our picks next year, we put ourselves in position to get almost any WR we want.

Last edited by Avery : 04-11-2005 at 09:08 AM.
Avery is offline  
Old 04-11-2005   #30
Spontae
Senior Member
 
Spontae's Avatar
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Posts:
481
Default

Although I would have liked to subvert AZ's chances, I put aside my love of all things Dallas, studied AZ's needs and read their (ugh) message board and assumed the Henry/LJ Shelton trade was dead. I traded 95 and 111 for 80 and selected for the Cardinals:

1st round #8 Cedric Benson RB (Texas)
2nd round #44 Fabian Washington CB (Nebraska)
3rd round #75 Stanley Wilson CB (Stanford)
3rd round #80 CJ Mosley DT (Mizzou)

All will be immediate starters for AZ and their (ugh) message board liked the picks (especially knowing that Rolle and Webster went before AZ selected at 8 and 44)
Spontae is offline  

 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2004-2012 CowboysZone.com