NFL Draft Lottery... yay or nay? - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Hoofbite · 06-12-2012

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Originally Posted by rkell87

san antonio says hi

Is San Antonio a small market team?

I honestly don't know.

I wouldn't have thought it.

rkell87 · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Is San Antonio a small market team?

I honestly don't know.

I wouldn't have thought it.

# Market # of TV Homes Teams Record (as of Mar. 9)
1
New York
7.515M
Knicks
34-29
Nets
20-43
2
Los Angeles
5.667M
Lakers
46-19
Clippers
25-40
3
Chicago
3.503M
Bulls
45-18
4
Philadelphia
3.016M
Sixers
33-31
5
Dallas-Ft. Worth
2.595M
Mavericks
46-18
6
SF/Oak/SJ
2.524M
Warriors
28-36
7
Boston
2.460M
Celtics
46-18
8
Atlanta
2.407M
Hawks
37-27
9
Washington, DC
2.390M
Wizards
16-47
10
Houston
2.177M
Rockets
33-33
11
Detroit
1.884M
Pistons
23-42
12
Phoenix
1.881M
Suns
33-29
15
Minneapolis-St. Paul
1.754M
Timberwolves
16-50
16
Miami-Ft. Lauderdale
1.581M
Heat
43-21
17
Denver
1.573M
Nuggets
37-27
18
Cleveland-Akron
1.526M
Cavaliers
12-52
19
Orlando-Daytona
1.453M
Magic
41-24
20
Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto
1.409M
Kings
15-47
22
Portland
1.198M
Trail Blazers
37-27
23
Charlotte
1.166M
Bobcats
26-38
27
Indianapolis
1.106M
Pacers
27-37
32
Salt Lake City
954K
Jazz
34-31
35
Milwaukee
901K
Bucks
25-38
37
San Antonio
845K
Spurs
52-12
45
Oklahoma City
705K
Thunder
40-23
48
Memphis
694K
Grizzlies
36-30
52
New Orleans
636K
Hornets
38-29

M'Kevon · 06-13-2012

No. The only purpose of a draft lottery is to have the possibility of manipulation. Does it happen every year? No. But enough to serve the purpose of the league and commissioner.

Ewing to NY.

Benson's reward for acquiring the Hornets.

Too lazy to look up prior results, but there's at least 6 other drafts were the outcome could be tied to league desires.

Zaxor · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

The purpose of the current system is to encourage parity. Not a league of haves and have nots like the NBA.

I understand that... but... doesn't mean I like it...

Basketball with only 5 guys playing on a team... one player can have an impact of great significance.

MLB and the NFL and especially the NFL who have 22 starters not including the package and special team starters are not so easily influenced where a single player will have a massive impact they have to have a team around them.

so in the unlikely advent that a SB champ gets the 1st pick in the draft the reward is perhaps mitigated a little by FA and the Salary cap and the relatively short career of a NFL player 8-9 years.

AbeBeta · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by rkell87

san antonio says hi

obviously you missed the joke given that an even smaller market team is in the finals

AbeBeta · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by M'Kevon

No. The only purpose of a draft lottery is to have the possibility of manipulation. Does it happen every year? No. But enough to serve the purpose of the league and commissioner.

Ewing to NY.

Benson's reward for acquiring the Hornets.

Too lazy to look up prior results, but there's at least 6 other drafts were the outcome could be tied to league desires.

The Knicks got that pick when each team who missed the playoffs had an equal chance to win the lottery. A 14% chance is what they had. Them winning that is not a shocking outcome.

Other dominant, can't miss players coming out of the draft might include David Robinson, Shaq, Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Blake Griffin ... Only Griffin ended up with a team in a large market. You'd be hard pressed to argue that the league wants the Clippers to do well as they've shown over and over that they will never generate the interest that that Lakers do.

The30YardSlant · 06-13-2012

I think people who insist that the NBA lottery is rigged need to think things through. If it EVER came out that the league itself was intentionally rigging the lottery is would RUIN the sport and open the league up to literally dozens of potential lawsuits from players and owners.

The NBA is not going to risk the future of their league in order to give the freaking New Orleans Hornets the #1 pick, sorry.

To answer the question though, I like the NFL system. If it was ever shown that NFL teams were intentionally losing for almost an entire season to net the top pick like it was in the NBA though my mind might change.

The30YardSlant · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by AbeBeta

Yeah, in the NBA it is totally dominated by the big market, big money teams.

No small team has a chance.

San Antonio has been the best franchise in professional sports over the last 15 years and they are the fourth smallest market in terms of viewership in the league. Miami is in the bottom third in terms of markets and has been to three of the last seven Finals. OKC is the third smallest market and they look to be on the verge of starting a dominant 10+ year run. Salt Lake City is near the bottom and the Jazz were legit contenders for the title for over 15 consecutive years from the early 80s through the late 90s. The Pacers, Trailblazers and Kings have all had strong runs over the past 35 years.

AbeBeta · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by The30YardSlant

San Antonio has been the best franchise in professional sports over the last 15 years and they are the fourth smallest market in terms of viewership in the league. Miami is in the bottom third in terms of markets and has been to three of the last seven Finals. OKC is the third smallest market and they look to be on the verge of starting a dominant 10+ year run. Salt Lake City is near the bottom and the Jazz were legit contenders for the title for over 15 consecutive years from the early 80s through the late 90s. The Pacers, Trailblazers and Kings have all had strong runs over the past 35 years.

It was obviously a joke as another poster had argued about the "have not" teams never having a chance.

I think, actually, that the smaller market teams have a real advantage when it comes to being able to be "bad" for a year or two and then scoring in the draft. A team that is in a big market has constant pressure to make big deals, trade future draft picks, etc. if things aren't going right. A smaller market team can blow things up, rebuild, and then surge again. They just have to draft well.

Hoofbite · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by rkell87

# Market # of TV Homes Teams Record (as of Mar. 9)
1
New York
7.515M
Knicks
34-29
Nets
20-43
2
Los Angeles
5.667M
Lakers
46-19
Clippers
25-40
3
Chicago
3.503M
Bulls
45-18
4
Philadelphia
3.016M
Sixers
33-31
5
Dallas-Ft. Worth
2.595M
Mavericks
46-18
6
SF/Oak/SJ
2.524M
Warriors
28-36
7
Boston
2.460M
Celtics
46-18
8
Atlanta
2.407M
Hawks
37-27
9
Washington, DC
2.390M
Wizards
16-47
10
Houston
2.177M
Rockets
33-33
11
Detroit
1.884M
Pistons
23-42
12
Phoenix
1.881M
Suns
33-29
15
Minneapolis-St. Paul
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When most people talk about small market, usually it's more so about club spending.

Viewing market is only relevant because that usually dictates how much a club spends. If it doesn't, not really sure it's all that relevant.

Where do the Spurs fall in that regard?

Risen Star · 06-13-2012

San Antonio and Miami may be small markets, but that doesn't change the fact the NBA is a league of haves and have nots.

You have 6 or 7 serious contenders in that league. The rest of the teams have no chance whatsoever of winning anything.

rkell87 · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

When most people talk about small market, usually it's more so about club spending.

Viewing market is only relevant because that usually dictates how much a club spends. If it doesn't, not really sure it's all that relevant.

Where do the Spurs fall in that regard?

i'm pretty sure they are somewhere in the middle as far as spending, but they are the most efficient spending team in the nba, meaning they get the more wins for less money than anybody else in the league

rkell87 · 06-13-2012

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Originally Posted by AbeBeta

obviously you missed the joke given that an even smaller market team is in the finals

obviously

L-O-Jete · 06-13-2012

I think there's also a safeguard so that the 3 worst teams can't fall out of the top 5 picks or something. I don't think the NFL requires a lottery like stated one out of 22 and team game, but I think the NBA does, it's completely star driven. The only "starless" team I can remember ever winning was the 2000 and some Pistons that beat the Malone/Payton Lakers.

Boys122 · 06-13-2012

Nay, keep it the way it is, but I hate the new format.

I'm old school and like the draft on Saturdays and Sundays.

This Thursday and Friday night format stinks.