What Has Garrett Shown Any of You?

[Hoofbite]

I think it's hard to evaluate the guy. Not because he's some super brain who's too tough to crack but more so because it's hard to look at any specific time frame, IMO.

He's been with the team for like 5-6 years, serving in a significant capacity even before getting the head coaching job.

So where do you start your time frame to look at?

If there's one thing I think he has definitely shown it's a definite belief in some sort of chain of command. I questioned him a while back because I couldn't see any way that any subordinate coach with higher goals could watch the man ahead of him (Wade Phillips) decimate a team for a few years without assuming some sort of de facto HC position within the locker room.

But he didn't. He let Wade run the ship aground and took the helm when asked.

Now, did he do that with personal goals in mind?......maybe. I think it's quite possible he knew that instilling discipline into that undisciplined bunch would likely delay his eventual rise to the top. Speculative, I'll admit.

For whatever reason, he stayed within his role and I think that says he's a man who's committed to "falling in line" and likely can't stand players who don't do the same.

This is why I don't think Patrick Crayton has a snowball's chance in hell at coming back to Dallas. He will not accept a small supporting role and Garrett won't tolerate that now that he doesn't have to.


I also think he has shown the ability to get players to buy into his system. Whether you like it or not, he appears to have total support of the team.

I think he's shown that, if given his choice, he will likely always shy away from the type of guys who are "me first" regardless of talent.


Lastly, I think he's also shown that he's inexperienced. There have been a number of instances over the years to point to. Bad right now because Dallas has the key pieces to compete, good for the long run because he should improve.

Back to my main point though, where do you start your look? If you start it when he took over for Wade things are pretty encouraging. Few blunders, shortcomings and questionable decisions along the way but pretty sound.

If you start when he got to Dallas, it's a mixed bag of good and bad that leaves a good amount of question marks floating around.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Once again you use the bad comparison to Jimmy's early years. The situations are totally different. They can not be compared. Garrett took over a team with some talent. Jimmy came into a complete mess in need of a total overhaul.

And, frankly, who cares about what a great group of guys we have anyway? We want to win football games. Any fan of any team can claim they have a great group of guys. It's a hollow statement.

Irvin and Aikman amongst others were there from the beginning weren't they?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tolbert Jeffcoat Norton Dixon Solomon Del Rio Walker Lockhart Johnston Ker Gogan etc were all on that team. Sorry but you guys would have been all over Johnson that first year.

[Prossman]

agreed hoofbite. garrett started being held accountable whhen he took over a HC, IMO. The wort part was the cba put the kibash on instilling his system and ryans defense, the way it normally would have. This offseason Jason has been given just about everything he has wanted , so we will know allot more about how close or how far to go we have.

[junk]

He needs some seasoning. He's not coming in with a lot of experience. Both Tomlin and Raheem Morris were very young when they got their first head coaching gigs.....and they had more experience than Garrett.

He's a smart guy, but we'll struggle through some on the job training. Saw it last year.

I really wish they'd surround him with a little more veteran staff. Adding Callahan will help I think.

Really wish Reeves had worked out. That whole thing was just silly, but that is the type of guy that would have been a great add to the staff. Someone who has been there/done that with respect to pretty much every aspect of game management.

[Mansta54]

Originally Posted by Hostile

After 24 games what had Jimmy Johnson shown you?

Well, this fan sees much the same things now as I did then. A team in transition and pointing in the right direction. More disciplined, accountable, and not making excuses. I see a team we can be proud of, win or lose, because they are a great bunch of guys on top of being good players. What has he shown me? Hope for the future. If you choose to be blind to it, that is your choice.

Well said Hos, well said..

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by dallasfan4lizife

What Has Garrett Shown Any of You?

I like tacos.

[Mansta54]

Originally Posted by Prossman

garrett turned a cowboy team full old, prima donnas, i dont want to hit anyone...gotta get paid, dominoe playing, water bucket sitting overhyped selfish morons, into a younger hungrier, smarter more talented , and agressive team. Dallas has gone from Camp Cupcake to one where 99% of all players have sold into the offseason workout program and all are working hard. The Jimmy Johnson comparrison is acurate because the winning environment has been established. Winning is actually expected and demanded. Maybe not with Jimmy drinking a heinken putting the fear of God in people but garretts more cerebral way. i for one would like to let garrett get thru atleast 1 full offseason before we march on dallas like the villagers coming after frankenstein.

Dead on point!!!

[BHendri5]

the orignal poster says he is a dallasfan4life, I say he is not, spewing that garbage.

Yes, you can compare Jimmy's first 24 and Garrett's, they both had to reinvent their teams, get them to buy into what needs to be done in order to become winners. Hostile is right on point.

I love Garrett's press conferences.

[CoCo]

I'm content at this point with Garrett.

I like where the roster seems to be going with him as HC. We've had what appear to be (admittedly its early) a couple of good drafts with him as HC. He's shedding the older vets who are past their prime. He's willing to take a risk playing younger guys. He appears to be taking a balanced approach of trying to win now but also build for the future. That style is my preference though I understand some would prefer he try to shoot for the moon before Romo & Ware get any older.

The question marks seem predominantly to be about his in-game decision-making. I think its fair to question him on that front. I think its an overreaction to pass judgment and call for his head. Its fair to raise an eyebrow over his team's failure to close the deal on some late game leads last year. At the same time however I think we need to recall the turnaround he presided over in 2011 with Kitna at QB, a horrible defense, and mid-season DC change.

In 2012, I'm looking for Garrett to win when he's supposed to. Whether that's over a clearly inferior opponent, or over a superior opponent who we have on the ropes late. I don't have PO expectations as yet. I'm not yet sold on ALL of our "talent." It's early, our division and conference look to be quite tough, and we'll be introducing several new pieces that could take some time to gel.

I think 2012 IS an important year. Important that Garrett get this team to show definitive progress though I hesitate to define exactly what that looks like again because the competition looks to be fierce this year.

I am cautiously optimistic.

[CoCo]

I get that some love his press conferences. To me it means almost nothing.

I guess I'm glad that Garrett refuses to let the press stomp on his team during his PC's. But I don't think it has any meaning beyond that.

Frankly, I think Garrett goes overboard to be certain he gives almost zero insight into the team. I'm ok if a coach wants to take that approach but I hardly think its the ONLY or BEST way.

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

I think it's hard to evaluate the guy. Not because he's some super brain who's too tough to crack but more so because it's hard to look at any specific time frame, IMO.

He's been with the team for like 5-6 years, serving in a significant capacity even before getting the head coaching job.

So where do you start your time frame to look at?

If there's one thing I think he has definitely shown it's a definite belief in some sort of chain of command. I questioned him a while back because I couldn't see any way that any subordinate coach with higher goals could watch the man ahead of him (Wade Phillips) decimate a team for a few years without assuming some sort of de facto HC position within the locker room.

But he didn't. He let Wade run the ship aground and took the helm when asked.

[View Full Quote]Now, did he do that with personal goals in mind?......maybe. I think it's quite possible he knew that instilling discipline into that undisciplined bunch would likely delay his eventual rise to the top. Speculative, I'll admit.

For whatever reason, he stayed within his role and I think that says he's a man who's committed to "falling in line" and likely can't stand players who don't do the same.

This is why I don't think Patrick Crayton has a snowball's chance in hell at coming back to Dallas. He will not accept a small supporting role and Garrett won't tolerate that now that he doesn't have to.


I also think he has shown the ability to get players to buy into his system. Whether you like it or not, he appears to have total support of the team.

I think he's shown that, if given his choice, he will likely always shy away from the type of guys who are "me first" regardless of talent.


Lastly, I think he's also shown that he's inexperienced. There have been a number of instances over the years to point to. Bad right now because Dallas has the key pieces to compete, good for the long run because he should improve.

Back to my main point though, where do you start your look? If you start it when he took over for Wade things are pretty encouraging. Few blunders, shortcomings and questionable decisions along the way but pretty sound.

If you start when he got to Dallas, it's a mixed bag of good and bad that leaves a good amount of question marks floating around.

Absolute great post and I agree 100% with your take.

[Prossman]

as far as garrett doing the coup de tah on wade, i dont see how he could have won that battle. Wade Phillips was a really nice likeable guy. It would be like Choke slamming barney on live tv because he was a whimp. everyone knows it but.....

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

I like tacos.

Beef or chicken?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

Essentially you're saying whatever you think is right even when you are using an era where the team was devoid of talent versus now when Garrett stepped in with a team that could win.

Great logic. I see how come get to your conclusions.

It's a good thing you aren't a doctor because you can't diagnose anything right ever.