Romo, points scored...

[Red Dragon]

Originally Posted by Gameover

In 2010, the first seven games of the Jason Garrett era, with John Kitna at QB, the Cowboys scored 31.8 ppg

You included McCann's interception returned for a touchdown against the Giants. (6 points)

You included McCann's punt returned for a touchdown against the Lions. (6 points)

You included Lee's interception returned for a touchdown against the Colts. (6 points)

You included Scandrick's interception returned for a touchdown against the Colts. (6 points)




Those are all defensive or special team points that you can't credit to the Kitna-led offense.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Gameover

Here is what concerns me about Tony Romo. Even his suppoters have to be a little concerned about these facts:

In 2009, the Cowboys scored 22.1ppg.

In 2011, the Cowboys scored 23.1ppg.

In 2010, the first seven games of the Jason Garrett era, with John Kitna at QB, the Cowboys scored 31.8ppg.More than a TD difference!Jason Witten, Romo's so called security blanket, scored 6 of his career best 9 td's during this stretch.The Most he's scored over any seven game stretch in his career.

What has happened to Romo's ability to put points on the board?

The Offensive Line?Wasn't the line even worse when Kitna took over in 2010? He still found a way to put up 30+ ppg.

Was the first seven games of the JG era a fluke?

Does Tony Romo have trouble making reads down the field?The one thing I remember when Kitna took over was the big plays he made down the field.

[View Full Quote]I like Tony Romo. I root for Tony Romo. I would be more happy for Tony and his family if we won than I would be for myself as a Cowboy fan!I would love for Romo to shut up Gary Myers and the rest of the Eli lovin' New York media!


Tony has to put up at least 25ppg, if the Cowboys are to be any type a threat in 2012.

The Cowboys had nothing to play for but their jobs the last 8 games of the 2010 season. Not having a playoff birth on the line enabled the team to play loose and take a lot more chances. When you're out of the playoff hunt you can afford to throw caution to the wind. Garrett allowed Kitna to free wheel it and the team not having the pressure of securing a playoff spot resulted in better play. It's when the Cowboys have something to play for that they begin to fold.

In 2011 with something to play for Garrett got conservative in certain situations taking the ball out of Romo's hands. It's clear he didn't trust Romo especially after his ill-timed mistakes against the Jets and Lions. There were several games including against NE and AZ where Garrett got real conservative not allowing Romo to throw the ball in certain situations.

Some of the reasons the Cowboys bogged down in the redzone was because of conservative play calling fearing a turnover. Garrett clearly settled for FG's in a number of situations in 2011 where as in 2010 he had Kitna taking a lot more chances with no playoff spot on the line.

[Red Dragon]

Originally Posted by wittenacious

Nice, Red D! That's gonna leave a mark.

Thanks. To be fair, though, those still only add up to 24 points which doesn't make a substantial difference in the overall points-scored average.

[RW Hitman]

Originally Posted by Gameover

No cherry pick... The Cowboys still averaged 27ppg during 9 Kitna starts in 2010.A Romo offense hasn't got to that high an average since 2007.Happy now!

have you taking all stats and situations into account such as our defense keeping the other offense off the field, a decent running game, Romo playing hurt in some games, coaching....

Don't give me the "well Kitna did it..." line because even a blind dog finds a bone once in awhile

I definitely agree this is where stats do not tell the whole story and is why people need to know more about football before they start blaming Romo for this team's problems.

[Red Dragon]

Originally Posted by RW Hitman

have you taking all stats and situations into account such as our defense keeping the other offense off the field, a decent running game, Romo playing hurt in some games, coaching....

Don't give me the "well Kitna did it..." line because even a blind dog finds a bone once in awhile

I definitely agree this is where stats do not tell the whole story and is why people need to know more about football before they start blaming Romo for this team's problems.

Yes. We could get even more specific. Technically, Kitna only led the Cowboys to 10 points against Arizona when Dallas lost 27-26 to the Cardinals. The other 16 Cowboys points were scored when McGee was leading the offense.

[RW Hitman]

Originally Posted by KJJ

The Cowboys had nothing to play for but their jobs the last 8 games of the 2010 season. Not having a playoff birth on the line enabled the team to play loose and take a lot more chances. When you're out of the playoff hunt you can afford to throw caution to the wind. Garrett allowed Kitna to free wheel it and the team not having the pressure of securing a playoff spot resulted in better play. It's when the Cowboys have something to play for that they begin to fold.

In 2011 with something to play for Garrett got conservative in certain situations taking the ball out of Romo's hands. It's clear he didn't trust Romo especially after his ill-timed mistakes against the Jets and Lions. There were several games including against NE and AZ where Garrett got real conservative not allowing Romo to throw the ball in certain situations.

[View Full Quote]Some of the reasons the Cowboys bogged down in the redzone was because of conservative play calling fearing a turnover. Garrett clearly settled for FG's in a number of situations in 2011 where as in 2010 he had Kitna taking a lot more chances with no playoff spot on the line.

man I wish this forum had a 'like' button, agreed

[RW Hitman]

Originally Posted by Gameover

I have a legit concern about Romo, not an agenda.

Is it cherry picking to point out, in Romo's last two full seasons(or near), his team hasn't hit mid 20's in scoring average?

How about Austin not going full stride and his dropped passes, How about Dez getting lost in coverage every play it seemed. Honestly, last year especially, you wanna beat the Cowboys - double cover Witten and it is taken care of.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Gameover

What has happened to Romo's ability to put points on the board?

Dude he put up 31 TD's which was the second most of his career and he did that with his HC taking the ball out of his hands in a lot of situations. Garrett didn't allow Romo to throw a single pass in the final few minutes against NE choosing to sit on the lead by burning 3 downs on the ground. After Romo hit Dez for a 31 yard gain late against AZ he had him burn downs including a kneel down to set up a 49 yard FG attempt.

Originally Posted by Gameover

Was the first seven games of the JG era a fluke?

What did Garrett have to lose in that situation? He took over a 1-7 team and was stuck with an aging backup QB. The Cowboys could have gone 0-8 the rest of the way and Jerry would have kept Garrett on anyway. He made up his mind after the 07 season when he paid Garrett a boat load of money to stay on as the OC that JG would eventually be the Cowboys HC.

That team played better after Garrett took over because Jerry scared the players telling them they were playing for their jobs the next season. As I mentioned Garrett allowed Kitna to free wheel it because the team had nothing to lose they were already toast. The Cowboys were given a win in the season finale thanks to Philly playing their backups.

[wittenacious]

Originally Posted by Red Dragon

Thanks. To be fair, though, those still only add up to 24 points which doesn't make a substantial difference in the overall points-scored average.

Pages from one of the chapters in the book of Tony Romo. Gotta read 'em all to get the whole story.

Thanks for that page.

[Questfor6]

Originally Posted by Gameover

What's his excuse for 2009?

The O Line started falling apart in 09, that's what happened. Columbo stayed hurt, Davis went back to the Davis from Zona, Kosier was always banged up, Flozell just couldn't cut it anymore period. Not to mention Barber laid down after gettin paid RW11 just sucked. Romo's not Peyton Manning so why don't you back off on the dude. I guess you bought a Orton jersey & want to be able to wear it to a game?

[Red Dragon]

Originally Posted by Gameover

What's his excuse for 2009?

You mean the year Romo, Garrett and the Cowboys went 11-5 and beat the Eagles in the playoffs? I'm not seeing where any "excuse" comes in........?

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by Gameover

First seven games of the Jason Garrett era.Garrett wasn't the head coach in those games.

I've always believed when there is a changing of the guard at HC you get about 1/2 year of crazy production as a fire has been lit under some tails.
Look back at other examples. I do know Kitna played well, though he still came up short of Romo in all measurable individual stats.

Anyway, the whole team played better down the stretch--which was not hard to do vs the team that gave up before then.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

These Romo bashing threads are getting old.

[Gameover]

Originally Posted by Questfor6

The O Line started falling apart in 09, that's what happened. Columbo stayed hurt, Davis went back to the Davis from Zona, Kosier was always banged up, Flozell just couldn't cut it anymore period. Not to mention Barber laid down after gettin paid RW11 just sucked. Romo's not Peyton Manning so why don't you back off on the dude. I guess you bought a Orton jersey & want to be able to wear it to a game?

I've always liked Kyle Orton.I believe the Bears could have won the SB with him instead of Grossman.If Orton were in the right situation, I believe he could be a star.

With all of the excuses you made for Romo, how did the Cowboys finish 2nd in total yards in 2009?

The OL was good enough to gain yards, but not good enough to put points on the board?

[Red Dragon]

Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

These Romo bashing threads are getting old.

They got old about 3 years ago.