Merriman over Ware

[The30YardSlant]

Isnt Ware only 21? I think we take Ware.

[Duane]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31

Isnt Ware only 21? I think we take Ware.

Merriman is only 20 right now born on 5/25/84.

[Portland Fanatic]

Originally Posted by ravidubey

This whole 3-4/4-3 nonsense is going to make us select an inferior player. Just great.

I much prefer doing one thing well rather than being able to do two different things. I think Merriman's a liability as a pure 4-3 DE and likely too heavy to cover reliably as an outside LB. A 3-4 OLB should be around 250 while a 4-3 DE starts at 275. Both need pass-rushing skills but the DE needs to be physical at the point of attack while the OLB must be able to cover backs and TE's.

I don't believe there's such a thing as a guy who can do both.

I am in 100% agreement that we need to pick one and go with it 100%...I personally like the 3-4...it provides so much more versatility for a defense...that's just me. If we go 4-3, then I agree let's go 100% 4-3...i'm sick of playing with both....but i'm even more sick of the 4-3 that has donw nothing over the last several years....forget the false #1 ranking in 2003...sorry.

There is not a difference maker in the draft for 4-3 DE...howevr there are several 3-4 OLB's and several legit 3-4 DE's....

If you like 4-3...knowing we will not get a difference maker at DE this year...hey enjoy....

[InmanRoshi]

I like Ware, but there are several players in this draft who can do what he does. No one in this draft is as versatile as Merriman. You wont find anything like him later in the draft. I participated in a mock draft earlier, and took Merriman at #11. When the 20th pick rolled around, I had a choice of Pollack, Roth, Tuck and Dan Cody to choose from at #20 (I took Pollack).

[slick325]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31

Isnt Ware only 21? I think we take Ware.

I wouldn't be opposed to that, in that case I would have to trust Coach Parcells ability to pick these types of players (edge rushers who are tweeners like McGinist and Abraham)

[Rack Bauer]

If I had to choose between Merriman and Ware I'd choose Merriman, easily. Ware's getting way too much hype right now. NO ONE had him going this high before the senior bowl. Even after the senior bowl the late first was the highest I saw him. Now that he did good at the combine I'm he's jumping way up draft boards? Gimme a break. He didn't dominate small schools, he sure as hell isn't likely to do it against NFL teams. Merriman had 8.5 sacks last year.... how many would he have had if he played against the teams Ware faced? Probably 16+. And I'm not even a big Merriman fan either, but he's the better of the two. I think Ware can and probably will be a solid player, but I wouldn't draft him at #11. I don't think I'd draft him at #20 either.

But I disagree with the "Experts" so go ahead and bash me.

I'd take Pollack before either of those two cuz he's the one that PRODUCED in college (the most) and he did it against better competition. PLUS, he performed comparably to Merriman and Ware in workouts, and even better in some cases (7 cone drill, 20 yard shuttle).

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

No one in this draft is as versatile as Merriman.

Care to explain? Why do you think that? How do you know that? I think Pollack is more versatile then Merriman. For being a guy that "had" to play in coverage so often (supposedly) why didn't Merriman get any ints? And why did Pollack have 5 ints playing DE? If Pollack were the exact same size as Merriman (and he's not far off) everyone would be on the Pollack bandwagon.

Pollack is only about 1 1/2" shorter then Merriman and only about 5 lbs lighter. He's just as fast as Merriman, jumps almost as high, only jumps 1" less in the broud jump, but is MUCH quicker then Merriman (7 cone and 20 yd shuttle), plus he produced more then merriman in every category (sacks, ints, tackles, and pressures).

[Nors]

I'm on record - love both Merriman and Pollack

Ware is a distant 3rd

This #11 talk is nonsense - JMO

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Rack

Care to explain? Why do you think that? How do you know that? I think Pollack is more versatile then Merriman. For being a guy that "had" to play in coverage so often (supposedly) why didn't Merriman get any ints? And why did Pollack have 5 ints playing DE? If Pollack were the exact same size as Merriman (and he's not far off) everyone would be on the Pollack bandwagon.

Pollack is only about 1 1/2" shorter then Merriman and only about 5 lbs lighter. He's just as fast as Merriman, jumps almost as high, only jumps 1" less in the broud jump, but is MUCH quicker then Merriman (7 cone and 20 yd shuttle), plus he produced more then merriman in every category (sacks, ints, tackles, and pressures).

You'd get laughed out of any scouting room if you suggested Pollack was as versatile as Merriman.

Yes, we're quite aware of your love affair of Pollack. You don't have to go over it YET AGAIN for the 5,000,000,000,000th time in three months. You don't have to restate it in every thread on the board. This topic is titled Merriman over Ware. Not Merriman and Ware With Rack's Opinion of Pollack Thrown Into The Subject ..... Yet Again.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Portland Fanatic

I am in 100% agreement that we need to pick one and go with it 100%...I personally like the 3-4...it provides so much more versatility for a defense...that's just me. If we go 4-3, then I agree let's go 100% 4-3...i'm sick of playing with both....but i'm even more sick of the 4-3 that has donw nothing over the last several years....forget the false #1 ranking in 2003...sorry.

There is not a difference maker in the draft for 4-3 DE...howevr there are several 3-4 OLB's and several legit 3-4 DE's....

If you like 4-3...knowing we will not get a difference maker at DE this year...hey enjoy....

Merriman, Ware, Pollack, James, Roth, Cody, Tuck and Spears (although I see him more as a rotational guy, eventually replacing Glover) could all be difference makers at 4-3 DE, especially when lining up with Ellis, Ferguson, and Glover.

Funny how productive college defensive ends are good prospects when "projected" at OLB, but fall short at DE because you prefer the 3-4.

[Portland Fanatic]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Merriman, Ware, Pollack, James, Roth, Cody, Tuck and Spears (although I see him more as a rotational guy, eventually replacing Glover) could all be difference makers at 4-3 DE, especially when lining up with Ellis, Ferguson, and Glover.

Funny how productive college defensive ends are good prospects when "projected" at OLB, but fall short at DE because you prefer the 3-4.

Merriman, Ware, and Pollack would be average 4-3 DE's...period. Hell give be Erasmus James in a 4-3 before them.

As 3-4 OLB....these three become impact players...like it or not!

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

You'd get laughed out of any scouting room if you suggested Pollack was as versatile as Merriman.

Yes, we're quite aware of your love affair of Pollack. You don't have to go over it YET AGAIN for the 5,000,000,000,000th time in three months. You don't have to restate it in every thread on the board. This topic is titled Merriman over Ware. Not Merriman and Ware With Rack's Opinion of Pollack Thrown Into The Subject ..... Yet Again.

When you say someone is the most versatile in the draft you changed the scope of the origional topic.

If you said Merriman was more versatile than Ware, you'd have a point, but you didn't so Pollack is fair game.

[Rack Bauer]

You'd get laughed out of any scouting room if you suggested Pollack was as versatile as Merriman.

Oh so I guess I should do what you do and just go by other people's opinions instead of having the balls to form my own?

And is that your answer? I asked you a simple question, instead of bashing/flaming me, why don't you try and answer it? If you can, that is.


And I have no "love affair" for any player. EXCUSE ME if I form my OWN opinion. The media and draft sites say X player is better then Y player so I believe it too.

Again, why do you think Merriman is the most versatile player in this draft? Explain your opinion, if you can.

If all you can do is come back insulting me then that really answers the question for me.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Portland Fanatic

Merriman, Ware, and Pollack would be average 4-3 DE's...period. Hell give be Erasmus James in a 4-3 before them.

As 3-4 OLB....these three become impact players...like it or not!

PROJECTION.

They use it for a reason.

Merriman MIGHT be a good bet at OLB because he played it in college, but there is no guarantee that he WILL BE.

The others are even bigger question marks, because not only are they moving up a level but they are playing a new position.

It's still just an OPINION, for all you know they all could be fantastic at DE but out of the league in 3 years at OLB.

[Portland Fanatic]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

PROJECTION.

They use it for a reason.

Merriman MIGHT be a good bet at OLB because he played it in college, but there is no guarantee that he WILL BE.

The others are even bigger question marks, because not only are they moving up a level but they are playing a new position.

It's still just an OPINION, for all you know they all could be fantastic at DE but out of the league in 3 years at OLB.

The fact that's all opinion at this stage is the reason we are debating...thus no one wins unless we decide to re-visit this two years from now.

That said...IF we land Merriman and Spears, or Merriman and Pollack, or Merriman and Ware, or Pollack and Ware...plan on a 3-4 base. JMHO....

If we do not....then I will have to suffer through another year of not getting turnovers and having a top defense....