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Nors · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Indeed BP - I've read where he tends to get pushed around - not good, especially when hes getting pushed around at that level.

Put him up against NFL calibre players and it could (emphasis added) get ugly.

I wouldn't feel as hesitant if we were talking about him in the late 20's or something, but as much as I pick on Bill Parcells, I hold the same mentality as he does with regard to the smaller schools.

The players that make it are the exception, not the rule and for my money, we don't have a good enough team to be monkey farting around at pick #11.

Parcells is usually risk averse when drafting. I think Ware is a huge reach and risk at #11. IS NOT AN EVERYDOWN GIVEN STARTER!
At best a 4-3 Situational pass rusher and he's never played up at OLB and ne 3-4 experience.

Merriman has and can do both. Is bigger, stronger, more experienced at ACC level competition. Spears is also Pro coached in a 3-4. I just can't see us taking Ware at #11.

There is too much "if" next to Ware at #11....

**BrAinPaiNt** · 04-21-2005

D.Ware's Game by Game stats for 2004

Marshall Thundering Herd

11 tackles (8 solo 3 assisted)
4.5 TFL for 29 yards
2 forced fumbles
1 pass break up
3 sacks for 25 yards
2 QB hurries

Missouri

4 Tackes (4 Solo, 0 Assisted)
2 TFL for 13 Yards
1 Forced Fumbles and 1 Fumble recovered for 0 yards
0 Pass Break Ups
1 Sacks for 9 yards
0 QB Hurries

New Mexico State

4 Tackes (4 Solo, 0 Assisted)
1 TFL for 2 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
0 Sacks for yards
2 QB Hurries

South Carolina

3Tackes ( 2 Solo, 1 Assisted)
1 TFL for 7 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
1 Sacks for 7 yards
1 QB Hurries

Utah State

4 Tackes ( 3 Solo,1 Assisted)
3 TFL for 22 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
3 Sacks for 22 yards
4 QB Hurries

Arkansas State

3 Tackes ( 2 Solo, 1 Assisted)
1 TFL for 8 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
1 Sacks for 8 yards
3 QB Hurries

LSU

4 Tackes ( 3 Solo, 1 Assisted)
2 TFL for 3 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
0 Sacks for yards
4 QB Hurries

Idaho

1 Tackes ( 0 Solo, 1 Assisted)
0 TFL for Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
0 Sacks for yards
2 QB Hurries

Florida Atlantic

5 Tackes (1 Solo, 4 Assisted)
2 TFL for 12 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
1 Sacks for 11 yards
3 QB Hurries

Louisiana-Lafayette

4 Tackes (3 Solo, 1 Assisted)
1 TFL for 5 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
1 Sacks for 5 yards
0 QB Hurries

Middle Tennessee

2 Tackes ( 1 Solo, 1 Assisted)
0.5 TFL for 1 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
0 Sacks for yards
0 QB Hurries

Nothern Illinois

3 Tackes ( 3 Solo, 0 Assisted)
1 TFL for 1 Yards
0 Forced Fumbles
0 Pass Break Ups
0 Sacks for yards
0 QB Hurries

That is all the info I could find......I do not know if he was injured in any of these games and/or only played in part of those games.

followthestar · 04-21-2005

i can't see us taking Ware at #11 either - for all the reasons above... i just believe that we'll trade down from #11 for later picks (hopefully some in 2006) and pick up Blackstock from VA somewhere between 20 and 42... he's an al groh student, plays the 3-4, and has more than enough quickness to chase down mcnabb. good motor, very active, coachable player. Ware at #11? not a chance...

Hollywood Henderson · 04-21-2005

Good debate...
I love Merriman but if we took Ware at #11 I would be thrilled as well...

Because I KNOW Parcells would take over on D and actually use the guys talents...I think Ware would be fine in a 3-4 OLB or pass rushing downlineman...

Just have him attack & pressure the LOS and get the run on his way to seeking & killing QB's...let his instincts take over...

F*** The read & react, never pressure a QB, passive & predictable, "Occupy & engage zimmy CRAP!

It all boils down to how we project him & how we can use him or anyone we draft to their strengths...

scottsp · 04-21-2005

Saw Ware play when Troy played Marshall and South Carolina. Also saw the Senior Bowl. Yeah, he stuck out with his ability to get to the quarterback. I didn't really get too caught up with the measureables on this kid, but I would be less than honest if I were to say I was unimpressed with him.

Goose mentioned his long arms and his use of leverage too. What I noticed was Ware's innate sense of how to attack different offensive tackles. He has a hesitation move and another one where he changes speeds in the middle of the rush. He uses his hands very well along with those long arms and doesn't allow the blocker to get into his body.

And yeah, he can certainly close on a quarterback. When this kid turns the corner, a quarterback better be in his throwing motion or it's curtains. I really like Ware. Honestly, I understand the red flags being thrown out there because he has flown up draft boards of late. Gosselin, among others, calls him the best pass rusher in this draft.

My hope here is he is available at twenty because I'd like to get Merriman as well. But make no mistake, this kid can wreak all kinds of havoc WHEN he is given the green light to go after the passer. Had he been asked to rush primarily, he would have racked up insane sack and turnover totals.

I promise you I am not the agent for Demarcus Ware :P because there are other prospects that intrigue me as well, but this kis is a high quality talent who I believe will do well on the NFL stage.

bsheeern · 04-21-2005

You know I'd rather have Spears at 11 and Blackstock in the 42 or a trade down for him. IMHO Blacstock is a better player than Ware and produced against better talent. I get the stats on him.

zagnut · 04-21-2005

I made it a point of watching him in the Bowl Game and he just didn't do much for me. Maybe it was an off day. Felt he was clearly very fast, athletic and quick, but his game is pretty much just lining up very wide of the tackle and banking on being able to get around the corner faster than the tackle can backpedal and close him off. The problem is this technique doesn't work as well in the NFL. Tackles will just steer him around the QB. He's not getting to the QB with a variety of pass ruch techniques. He's mostly just sprinting. He also overran plays a lot and put himself out of position. Was taken advantage of on misdirection plays.

I feel at best he can be a Leonard Little type - gets the sacks but is a liability vs the run. Did I read he used to be a WR? What gets me is the same "he's not physical" line used on DJ is not applied to Ware, or at least doean't bring down his stock at all.

Not a fan of drafting him at 11. I thought he was interesting when he was considered a 2nd to 3rd rounder, but no way at 11.

adbutcher · 04-21-2005

18 QB Hurries! I am torn. I never saw him play but it is obvious that the NFL talent evaluators think highly of him and if the tuna is ok with him then I am ok with him.

RoysAHitta · 04-21-2005

i thought merriman was a huge gamble at #11 at first. but then i start seeing these mocks with ware at #11. the same guy who was a 2nd rounder a week ago. so now i just hope we go merriman, hes less of two evils.

morasp · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by adbutcher

18 QB Hurries! I am torn. I never saw him play but it is obvious that the NFL talent evaluators think highly of him and if the tuna is ok with him then I am ok with him.

Pollack had 117 hurries in his career playing for Georgia.

adbutcher · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by morasp

Pollack had 117 hurries in his career playing for Georgia.

That is awesome. I will not be upset with Pollack at 20. Like I have said in a previous post, you know what you are getting with him. However, with the youngins (Meriman and Ware) they have a higher ceiling for growth. That is what intrigues me and I think that is what intrigues most of the league officials as well.

**Sarge** · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by Nors

Parcells is usually risk averse when drafting. I think Ware is a huge reach and risk at #11. IS NOT AN EVERYDOWN GIVEN STARTER!
At best a 4-3 Situational pass rusher and he's never played up at OLB and ne 3-4 experience.

Merriman has and can do both. Is bigger, stronger, more experienced at ACC level competition. Spears is also Pro coached in a 3-4. I just can't see us taking Ware at #11.

There is too much "if" next to Ware at #11....

Nors and I agree on this one. Too risky. I'm not saying Ware won't work out - I'm saying I wouldn't be willing to gamble on him at 11. We have too many holes to fill for gambling around.

Ware another Charles Haley?

We'll see about that one.

mperfection · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by scottsp

Saw Ware play when Troy played Marshall and South Carolina. Also saw the Senior Bowl. Yeah, he stuck out with his ability to get to the quarterback. I didn't really get too caught up with the measureables on this kid, but I would be less than honest if I were to say I was unimpressed with him.

Goose mentioned his long arms and his use of leverage too. What I noticed was Ware's innate sense of how to attack different offensive tackles. He has a hesitation move and another one where he changes speeds in the middle of the rush. He uses his hands very well along with those long arms and doesn't allow the blocker to get into his body.

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Right on the money!

fortdick · 04-21-2005

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Originally Posted by Chief

Sarge, I actually saw Ware play in person one game.

Troy actually lost the game to a sub-par New Mexico State team.

Ya know, I know the kid that QB'd for NM State. Buck Pierce is his name. This is off thread, but I would be interested in your take of him.

He has had some great stats in an offense that did not suit him. A true pocket passer in a veer offense. HE still set some NM St records though.

Sorry again, but interested in your opinion of him

speedkilz88 · 04-21-2005

Realize that Ware may have flown up draft boards of the draft gurus, but most likley has always been up there by nfl scouts. It just took the gurus and press time to catch up. I'll be happy with Parcells' decision on a pass rusher, he knows how to pick em.