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joseephuss · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Umm Martin played more minutes for the same amount of points on 5 more shots per game. A 41% shooter is nowhere near the level of a 49% shooter and Martin doesn't get to the line as much anymore.

Martin cannot hold Harden's jock and Harden is 23 years old. There really is no comparison. Harden is the best young SG in the NBA right now.

That is why OKC got more in return than just Martin.

Cowboys&LakersFan · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Umm Martin played more minutes for the same amount of points on 5 more shots per game. A 41% shooter is nowhere near the level of a 49% shooter and Martin doesn't get to the line as much anymore.

Martin cannot hold Harden's jock and Harden is 23 years old. There really is no comparison. Harden is the best young SG in the NBA right now.

Harden is the third best shooting guard in the game behind only Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade. A big thing OKC is gonna miss is Harden's play making. He was really the point guard of the team. He made life so much easier for Westbrook and Durant. Now who's gonna be the play maker? Durant's strength is scoring not passing the ball and making plays for others. Westbrook can do it, but he's a shoot first point guard. Now you're asking him to do something he's not comfortable doing so. Martin isn't a play maker at all. He's a one dimensional scorer. Gonna be interesting to see how OKC looks without Harden.

FuzzyLumpkins · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by joseephuss

That is why OKC got more in return than just Martin.

Sure which is why i was responding to the notion that Martin was as good a scorer. Not only is he not, he is not by a very large margin.

Lamb is another chucker who has a reputation for being a selfish player on a selfish UConn squad.

It comes down to that Toronto pick.

Presti jumped on, considering recent history, what was about as good as one could get. He made the right move but from a wins share position its a HUGE downgrade for OKC.

FuzzyLumpkins · 10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

Harden is the third best shooting guard in the game behind only Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade. A big thing OKC is gonna miss is Harden's play making. He was really the point guard of the team. He made life so much easier for Westbrook and Durant. Now who's gonna be the play maker? Durant's strength is scoring not passing the ball and making plays for others. Westbrook can do it, but he's a shoot first point guard. Now you're asking him to do something he's not comfortable doing so. Martin isn't a play maker at all. He's a one dimensional scorer. Gonna be interesting to see how OKC looks without Harden.

The lack of solid young 2's is pretty alarming.

Chocolate Lab · 10-30-2012

Haven't kept up with it, but even last year when everyone could see this coming, there was talk of using the amnesty provision on Perkins. Wonder what happened with that.

JoeyBoy718 · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by MC KAos

just the other day someone was saying they could deal him and ibaka to minnesota for kevin love and the TWolves actually would listen to them.

Minnesota would be trading 1 white guy for 2 black guys... That might be good for their PR.

Kangaroo · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Haven't kept up with it, but even last year when everyone could see this coming, there was talk of using the amnesty provision on Perkins. Wonder what happened with that.

I can tell you what happen Dwight Howard extra body to throw at him and wear him down and foul him.

Chocolate Lab · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Kangaroo

I can tell you what happen Dwight Howard extra body to throw at him and wear him down and foul him.

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Kangaroo · 10-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

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OKC kept Perkins because of Dwight Howard to the Lakers instead of using the amnesty on him. That is why they kept him to help match up against the Lakers because despite being a SA fan I think the Lakers are in a better spot than the Spurs.

MC KAos · 10-31-2012

Perk has always been the guy that gets in howard's head the most of anyone in the league. He plays him great. I think if the lakers didnt make that trade for howard, the thunder might have done something different.

Cowboys&LakersFan · 11-01-2012

Damn Harden played great in his Rockets debut. 37 points, 12 assists, 6 boards, and he made 14 of his 25 shots. Obviously he won't put up those kind of numbers every night, but I do see him averaging around 25 points and 5 assists.

Kangaroo · 11-01-2012

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Originally Posted by Cowboys&LakersFan

Damn Harden played great in his Rockets debut. 37 points, 12 assists, 6 boards, and he made 14 of his 25 shots. Obviously he won't put up those kind of numbers every night, but I do see him averaging around 25 points and 5 assists.

He should he is now the man in Houston which means he is option number 1.

MC KAos · 11-01-2012

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Originally Posted by JoeyBoy718

Minnesota would be trading 1 white guy for 2 black guys... That might be good for their PR.

ghst187 · 11-03-2012

no doubt OKC lost a great player that will just get better. Could easily have argued they should've given Westbrook's contract to Harden and let RW walk vice Harden. However, think OKC got as much as was possible.
Martin is at least capable of picking up some scoring burden. Lamb could develop. Maynard is back after missing last year.
OKC added Perry Jones and Thabeet. Then they have 3 good picks coming.
If some of their young players develop in the near future and team chemistry rebuilds...OKC could eventually emerge much better than before the trade. However, no doubt they got slightly worse for the short term.