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11-01-2012
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Originally Posted by Oh_Canada
I really don't get your point here...the expert just said Romo was at fault for the pick-six and that dumb throw on 3rd and 1 and you think it proves what exactly? Guess your pleased with mediocrity at the QB position.
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Pleased with the results and blaming the wrong guy are not synonymous.
Aikman was called out by fans back in the mid nineties because he was reluctant to throw the ball to players that wouldn't fight for it.
The QB gets blamed when the back half of a pass is misplayed by the receiver or allowed to get into the hands of the defender.
You will never understand this because you have made up your mind.
I was like you once. Then I started looking closer.
The answers are there. Your interpretation of them is incorrect for the most part. But the answers are evident.
You've been weighed
You've been measured
And you've been found to be a casual fan
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11-01-2012
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#32
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Originally Posted by dfense
Wow, finally a half way decent editorial from Galloway. I'm impressed.
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It's half-way decent because half of it is quotes from someone who knows what he's talking about.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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11-01-2012
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Originally Posted by Idgit
That was barely readable, but it ended up being a pretty good article anyway if you just read the quotes. Pretty much says what we all though about the first pick and the pick six. Interesting that he puts pick number 2 on Miles, because that one sure looked like Tony's ball placement problem to me.
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Not me. I don't believe the evaluation of the 1st pick is accurate. I still believe that it was a poor decision. Re-watched it again and still, I think the Giants new what was coming and they baited Tony. I think the ball was thrown too high, even if the route was run correctly and I think Tony threw a medicine ball, at best. I know you don't agree with this Idgit. That's OK but for the record, I don't agree with this guy. JMO.
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11-01-2012
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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Not me. I don't believe the evaluation of the 1st pick is accurate. I still believe that it was a poor decision. Re-watched it again and still, I think the Giants new what was coming and they baited Tony. I think the ball was thrown too high, even if the route was run correctly and I think Tony threw a medicine ball, at best. I know you don't agree with this Idgit. That's OK but for the record, I don't agree with this guy. JMO.
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Lol. I was passively-aggressively sliding that by to see if anyone would bite. Because then I get to say 'Yeah, but The Guy Who Watched Some Film' agrees with *me.*
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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11-01-2012
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Originally Posted by Idgit
Lol. I was passively-aggressively sliding that by to see if anyone would bite. Because then I get to say 'Yeah, but The Guy Who Watched Some Film' agrees with *me.*
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Fair enough but who's the guy? I don't know. By his logic, Tony should have gone to Miles. One deep Safety that stayed in the middle of the field and in the area of the Dig route should dictate that you go to the single coverage which was Miles. He says this on the throw to OTree. If it's the correct read on that play, how can it be the incorrect read on this one?
You can agree with him, but I do not.
Watch that play again. The INT is made about 20 yards from the LOS. If Dez runs that route correctly, that ball is not on target for the route. It's way high and Dez has to go up and get it. There is no guarantee that it's still not intercepted or that Dez doesn't get the crap knocked out of him. If that ball would have been on target, that might not have been intercepted because you figure could easily have been thrown short. Who knows but after watching it over and over, I still do not agree that it was a good decision.
Last edited by ABQCOWBOY : 11-01-2012 at 12:28 PM.
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11-01-2012
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#36
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Originally Posted by TwoDeep3
Pleased with the results and blaming the wrong guy are not synonymous.
Aikman was called out by fans back in the mid nineties because he was reluctant to throw the ball to players that wouldn't fight for it.
The QB gets blamed when the back half of a pass is misplayed by the receiver or allowed to get into the hands of the defender.
You will never understand this because you have made up your mind.
I was like you once. Then I started looking closer.
The answers are there. Your interpretation of them is incorrect for the most part. But the answers are evident.
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R u seriously comparing Romo with a three time Super Bowl champ??
He had just finished throwing two picks and the guy floats a lob ball to the sideline while his guy has inside position?? You're ok with that? I think it's you who can't see the forest from the trees.
I was a huge Romo fan until last year right up until his meltdown vs. the Lions game so stop pretending you know me because you don't obviously. I know the guy has talent, I know he's better than half the league's QB's...but he isn't elite and he just isn't even at the next level. Basically we have an older version of Joe Flacco or Philip Rivers...good player, but not a guy who can take a team to a Super Bowl unless he gets a lights out defense and STOPS turning the ball over.
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11-01-2012
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#37
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Originally Posted by Randy White
Read the article again. Romo made the right decision on 3rd and 1.. but it so happens that the player the ball was going to is not good.
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Which makes it a POOR choice.
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11-01-2012
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#38
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28 Joker
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Randy Galloway has been an unapologetic Tony Romo apologist.
I think some people are sick and tired of the inconsistent, erratic results that Tony Romo and Jason Garrett have produced over the last 6 years. Some people don't want to hear the "explanations". They are literally tired of the finger pointing after all the interceptions. Some fans want consistent, positive results, and they are sick and tired of all the turnovers by the QB. Romo and Garrett are tied at the hip, and I don't know how you separate them. How many years have they been together? Jerry Jones has no one to blame but himself, because Jason Garrett was his way of "winning". How has it been working out, Jerry and Stephen?
If Galloway wants to joke about someone's perceived "IQ", he should analyze the ridiculous lack of any common sense that the QB and Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Play Caller displayed on 3rd and 1. Yes, Galloway. Run the blasted ball and pick up one blasted yard. Felix Jones powered his way into the end-zone on a 4 yard TD in that game. (Why is Phillip Tanner even carrying the ball on the goal-line after Jones powered his way in?) The Giants had 6 people in the box when they had been stacking it for most of the game. Listening to Garrett's and Romo's excuse for not running the football on 3rd and 1 (with 3 blasted timeouts) is infuriating. You want to talk about dumb?
Jason Garrett should have been fired on Monday for his lack of basic common sense or lack of fundamental situational football, imo. This is on the heels of yet another clock management debacle at Baltimore. By the way, doesn't Tony Romo have enough common sense to call a time out in those situations (at Baltimore or Arizona). How long has he been playing? Obviously, his head coach doesn't have any. That is unforgivable, too.
The fundamental lack of common sense displayed by the head coach and quarterback is unforgivable. I'm talking about the 3rd and 1 play when the Giants' knees were buckling at their own 19 yard line. Four plays to pick up a yard and not one blasted run.... Unforgivable.
One of Jason Garrett's biggest weaknesses is his overconfidence in Tony Romo's abilities as a QB. No wonder there doesn't seem to be any accountability for Romo. An erratic, inconsistent Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Play Caller has produced an erratic, inconsistent, reckless quarterback.
If Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones have any common sense, they will have Jon Gruden on speed dial and order their scouting department to look for the next starting quarterback. I will not hold my breath.
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11-01-2012
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28 Joker
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By the way, many fans didn't approve of the interior offensive line being bought at the Dollar General Store. (I kind of settled and accepted it after I hoped for help in the draft.) I knew Costa could run block, and I thought Bernadeau had good size. Now, Costa is gone. The Cowboys are stuck with a very weak run blocking interior now. Martellus Bennett was a dominant edge blocker, and he's gone. The Cowboys can't run the blasted ball. This could get real ugly if the Cowboys don't start blocking for Felix Jones and Murray when he comes back, real ugly. "It's not the runners. It's the offensive line, stupid." Norm Hitzges is objective enough to state this fact, too.
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11-01-2012
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I think it's time to bench Tree and give Harris or Holmes more PT. It's obvious JJ won't let JG bench Dez. Obviously all you Romo haters don't even believe an 'expert' when he says Tree and Dez bust at least 3 routes a game if not more. That's horrible. I guess it's Romo's fault for not spoon feeding the offensive playbook to them or teaching them how to run routes. 
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11-01-2012
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#41
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Originally Posted by CowboyGil
I think it's time to bench Tree and give Harris or Holmes more PT. It's obvious JJ won't let JG bench Dez. Obviously all you Romo haters don't even believe an 'expert' when he says Tree and Dez bust at least 3 routes a game if not more. That's horrible. I guess it's Romo's fault for not spoon feeding the offensive playbook to them or teaching them how to run routes. 
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I don't know that it's that we don't believe that both players have issues with routes. I think it's just that we don't always see this as one or the other. At times, it can be both QB and WRs. Sometimes, it can be more then that and that often happens as well.
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11-01-2012
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#42
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I agree with some of the article. But my question is why exactly does romo continue going to these guys in critical situations if he can't trust them? THere has to be blame put on romo as well.
Look at peyton and the broncos. They were out of sync for the first couple weeks. Now they look like they have been playing together for years.
Romo has been in this same offense with mostly the same skill players for a long time now. They should be getting better and more comfortable with time. The exact opposite is happening though.
The offense looks out of sync. A lot of that goes on the quarterback. He is the man in charge when this offense is on the field. There is no reason for him to not be on the same page as the wr's. If it's the wr's problem, he needs to go to garret and make garret understand it is not working and they need to be benched. Or at least call more plays for the guys who are where they are supposed to be.
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11-01-2012
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#43
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Originally Posted by couchscout
Seems like someone else who also watches film for a living was trying to tell you guys a few days ago that Dez ran a post instead of a dig...
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yes you did.
I just mentioned in another thread that the Cowboys staf went through each turover this year and found Romo's decsion-making at fault just three times.
Things have unfolded ina very fluky manner so far though.
I do think he could have lofted the ball higher on the JPP pick 6. But 9-10 QBs wouold not have...as few football players to ever play have that guy's combined size/athletic ability. he sniffed it out and make a freak play. Sux for us.
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11-01-2012
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#44
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Originally Posted by 28 Joker
Randy Galloway has been an unapologetic Tony Romo apologist.
I think some people are sick and tired of the inconsistent, erratic results that Tony Romo and Jason Garrett have produced over the last 6 years. Some people don't want to hear the "explanations". They are literally tired of the finger pointing after all the interceptions. Some fans want consistent, positive results, and they are sick and tired of all the turnovers by the QB. Romo and Garrett are tied at the hip, and I don't know how you separate them. How many years have they been together? Jerry Jones has no one to blame but himself, because Jason Garrett was his way of "winning". How has it been working out, Jerry and Stephen?
[View Full Quote]If Galloway wants to joke about someone's perceived "IQ", he should analyze the ridiculous lack of any common sense that the QB and Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Play Caller displayed on 3rd and 1. Yes, Galloway. Run the blasted ball and pick up one blasted yard. Felix Jones powered his way into the end-zone on a 4 yard TD in that game. (Why is Phillip Tanner even carrying the ball on the goal-line after Jones powered his way in?) The Giants had 6 people in the box when they had been stacking it for most of the game. Listening to Garrett's and Romo's excuse for not running the football on 3rd and 1 (with 3 blasted timeouts) is infuriating. You want to talk about dumb?
Jason Garrett should have been fired on Monday for his lack of basic common sense or lack of fundamental situational football, imo. This is on the heels of yet another clock management debacle at Baltimore. By the way, doesn't Tony Romo have enough common sense to call a time out in those situations (at Baltimore or Arizona). How long has he been playing? Obviously, his head coach doesn't have any. That is unforgivable, too.
The fundamental lack of common sense displayed by the head coach and quarterback is unforgivable. I'm talking about the 3rd and 1 play when the Giants' knees were buckling at their own 19 yard line. Four plays to pick up a yard and not one blasted run.... Unforgivable.
One of Jason Garrett's biggest weaknesses is his overconfidence in Tony Romo's abilities as a QB. No wonder there doesn't seem to be any accountability for Romo. An erratic, inconsistent Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Play Caller has produced an erratic, inconsistent, reckless quarterback.
If Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones have any common sense, they will have Jon Gruden on speed dial and order their scouting department to look for the next starting quarterback. I will not hold my breath.
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With all due respect, 28, your pet cat was as responsible for the loss as anyone. That fumble (owing to nothing more than careless handling of the rock) was a back-breaker. It gave momentum back to NY at a time when they were reeling. Any perceived mistake Garrett may have made in play-calling pales by comparison.
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11-01-2012
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#45
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Originally Posted by tomsanders921
I agree with some of the article. But my question is why exactly does romo continue going to these guys in critical situations if he can't trust them? THere has to be blame put on romo as well.
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Then the only receiver he would throw to would be Witten and we'd hear everyone complaining that he doesn't involve any of the WRs or round 2 of the "Romo and Witten are making secret plays" BS.
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard.
Last edited by Bill Wooten : 11-01-2012 at 03:10 PM.
Reason: spelling
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