FWST: Garrett beware: Jones preaches patience but also says Cowboys don't have time - Dallas Cowboys Forum

**WoodysGirl** · 11-06-2012

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Cowboys owner Jerry Jones tried his best to distance himself from the rumor surrounding Saints coach Sean Payton on his radio show on Tuesday.

Jones, however, was more convoluted when it came time to talk about the status of his own coach, Jason Garrett.

On one hand, Jones preached patience and even compared Garrett to Tom Landry and Bill Belichick, who struggled early in their careers before winning Super Bowl titles and becoming legends.

"You have to look at his short tenure and potential for the future," Jones said. "Yes I made a coaching change with coach who only been here two years (Chan Gailey). I regretted it. That was not the thing I should have done. It's one of the few things I would take back as far the coaching thing. Look at Belichick being fired in Cleveland and ends up at New England. The books are full of coaches who started slow and ended up doing an outstanding job. I don't have to remind you of Coach Landry's early years."

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BoysFan4ever · 11-06-2012

Yea let's compare Jason to two of the best coaches ever!

Wolfpack · 11-06-2012

Landry built a team from scratch with cast offs and I dont recall him leaving points on the field with missed game management often.

LeonDixson · 11-06-2012

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Landry built a team from scratch with cast offs and I dont recall him leaving points on the field with missed game management often.

No truer words...

a_minimalist · 11-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

Landry built a team from scratch with cast offs and I dont recall him leaving points on the field with missed game management often.

I don't like comparing JG to Landry but it's pretty funny that you think Garrett took over an all-star team. If you ask me, they were a bunch of cast-offs; aside from Ware, Romo and Witten. That's 3 of 52. Keep swinging though!

Chocolate Lab · 11-06-2012

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Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I don't like comparing JG to Landry but it's pretty funny that you think Garrett took over an all-star team. If you ask me, they were a bunch of cast-offs; aside from Ware, Romo and Witten. That's 3 of 52. Keep swinging though!

Right, the 11-5 team that won the East the year before was made up of a bunch of castoffs.

I guess Wade Phillips was a greater HC than anyone knew.

Wolfpack · 11-06-2012

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Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I don't like comparing JG to Landry but it's pretty funny that you think Garrett took over an all-star team. If you ask me, they were a bunch of cast-offs; aside from Ware, Romo and Witten. That's 3 of 52. Keep swinging though!

I never said it was an all start team but that team sent a bunch to the pro-bowl and had a good record. The flaw was that the team was built by a poor gm so it had lots of shinny toys & high risk/reward guys but was lacking in depth, young talent and both lines.

Romo alone is a huge piece of the puzzle that didnt exist in 1960.

Jason could have the all-time all Madden team and he would still be a poor OC and still make high school level game time coaching mistakes.

burmafrd · 11-06-2012

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Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I don't like comparing JG to Landry but it's pretty funny that you think Garrett took over an all-star team. If you ask me, they were a bunch of cast-offs; aside from Ware, Romo and Witten. That's 3 of 52. Keep swinging though!

Ratlif for one
Austin is certainly decent

there are a fair number of other good players you ignore
But then agendas demand reality be ignored

Fact is that the 2010 team was certainly playoff capable.

How else was a 5-3 record and being in every game against some of the best teams in the NFL not showing that the team had talent?

**Idgit** · 11-06-2012

I'm a huge Garrett fan (still am, no need to snark), but even if I weren't, I agree with Jerry that it's good policy to give any coaching hire 3 years to implement a...process...and enough leeway to do it legitimately. That would be a guideline for me, and not a rule, but not until and unless I saw my team absolutely give up and mail in the end of a season would I make a change, and even then, unless I had the guy I wanted already on staff, I wouldn't do it mid-season.

You're never going to find the right guy if you don't give him what he wants for his program and you don't give him the resources he tells you he needs to make things work. That should go for any coach, and should apply even in the midst of a three-game losing streak.

WPBCowboysFan · 11-06-2012

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Yea let's compare Jason to two of the best coaches ever!

Well, that is exactly what Jerruh the risk taker sees. He can feel it. Its his gut feeling that he knows he can trust!

silver · 11-06-2012

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Right, the 11-5 team that won the East the year before was made up of a bunch of castoffs.

I guess Wade Phillips was a greater HC than anyone knew.

6 Pro Bowlers in 2008:

TE Jason Witten
C Andre Gurode
T Flozell Adams
G Leonard Davis.
DT Jay Ratliff
LB Demarcus Ware

7 Pro Bowlers in 2009

QB Tony Romo
TE Jason Witten
WR Miles Austin
G Leonard Davis
DT Jay Ratliff
LB Demarcus Ware
CB Terrence Newman

5 Pro Bowlers in 2010

C Andre Gurode
P Mat McBriar
DT Jay Ratliff
LB DeMarcus Ware
TE Jason Witten

Not a bunch of castoffs if you ask me.

a_minimalist · 11-06-2012

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Originally Posted by silver

6 Pro Bowlers in 2008:

TE Jason Witten
C Andre Gurode
T Flozell Adams
G Leonard Davis.
DT Jay Ratliff
LB Demarcus Ware

7 Pro Bowlers in 2009

QB Tony Romo
TE Jason Witten
WR Miles Austin
G Leonard Davis
DT Jay Ratliff
LB Demarcus Ware
CB Terrence Newman

5 Pro Bowlers in 2010

C Andre Gurode
P Mat McBriar
DT Jay Ratliff
LB DeMarcus Ware
TE Jason Witten

Not a bunch of castoffs if you ask me.

I wasn't aware Jason was a head coach in 2008 and 2009. Punters don't count. What was the record when JG took over?

a_minimalist · 11-06-2012

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

Ratlif for one
Austin is certainly decent

there are a fair number of other good players you ignore
But then agendas demand reality be ignored

Fact is that the 2010 team was certainly playoff capable.

How else was a 5-3 record and being in every game against some of the best teams in the NFL not showing that the team had talent?

The 2010 team was playoff capable? lol What was our record the first 10 games? Yeah, Wade had us heading in the right direction.

You're right, agendas demand reality be ignored.

a_minimalist · 11-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

I never said it was an all start team but that team sent a bunch to the pro-bowl and had a good record. The flaw was that the team was built by a poor gm so it had lots of shinny toys & high risk/reward guys but was lacking in depth, young talent and both lines.

Romo alone is a huge piece of the puzzle that didnt exist in 1960.

Jason could have the all-time all Madden team and he would still be a poor OC and still make high school level game time coaching mistakes.

So basically you're fluffing up the 2010 team when Garrett took over.

I will say that we do need an OC though.

BoysFan4ever · 11-06-2012

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Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

Well, that is exactly what Jerruh the risk taker sees. He can feel it. Its his gut feeling that he knows he can trust!

Ha! Jerry is such a clown.