I think it may come down to Romo or Garrett

[juck]

Andy Reid would succeed with Romo.

[Tezz]

A washed up Jeff Garcia succeeded with Andy Reid

[big dog cowboy]

Everybody would succeed with a solid OL.

[juck]

Originally Posted by Tezz

A washed up Jeff Garcia succeeded with Andy Reid

Thats the only place he succeeded cause of that system. Romo is a WC QB. Short crossing routes. Romo and Reid would work.

[RS12]

I think it may come down to Romo or Garrett

We all know if somebody has to be fed to the lions it wont be Jerry.

[jobberone]

The WC is a variation of the vertical offense. It's still a timing offense. Many of us here have called for more horizontal routes for a long time esp since we don't have the real burners on the outside.

The problem with the offense is just complicated although I agree the OL is part of the problem as are problems with the WRs.

Perhaps it's possible the problem is we just have enough short comings on offensive talent and makeup that we can't function well. If you think the major problem is Romo though then you are just wrong.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by jobberone

The WC is a variation of the vertical offense. It's still a timing offense. Many of us here have called for more horizontal routes for a long time esp since we don't have the real burners on the outside.

The problem with the offense is just complicated although I agree the OL is part of the problem as are problems with the WRs.

Perhaps it's possible the problem is we just have enough short comings on offensive talent and makeup that we can't function well. If you think the major problem is Romo though then you are just wrong.

Even with the guys we have now, running east/west is still taking a long time to develop.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Even with the guys we have now, running east/west is still taking a long time to develop.

I agree. I don't see crossing patterns as being very realistic at least consistently. I haven't looked at the All 22 since our first game but I suspect teams are taking away the inside slants since we run that so well. Austin has made some hay with deep slants or digs (or are they wheels) if you will but that hasn't been real reliable either. And teams are teeing off on the swing passes and bubbles so that leaves Witten underneath for the most part.

The lack of a running game, deep routes and outside speed and the above is killing us. Add poor route running by two of the four receivers and you got problems.

What have those two drives with the hurry up and no huddle consisted of route wise and why were they successful. I'm betting you've looked at the film.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by jobberone

I agree. I don't see crossing patterns as being very realistic at least consistently. I haven't looked at the All 22 since our first game but I suspect teams are taking away the inside slants since we run that so well. Austin has made some hay with deep slants or digs (or are they wheels) if you will but that hasn't been real reliable either. And teams are teeing off on the swing passes and bubbles so that leaves Witten underneath for the most part.

Austin is starting to come around, and is making big plays in the slot like he used to. The bigger problem is with the two guys on the outside who are not speed match-up problems or are inconsistent catchers. Romo is taking what the defense gives him and sometimes that entails throwing the ball to KO or Bryant, neither or which are reliable in crucial situations.

The lack of a running game, deep routes and outside speed and the above is killing us.

Not being able to get chunk yardage from a defensive cover 2 is the real killer. It's not the end all for the offense but it sure keeps us heavily unbalanced in drives. Cook's run blocking is really atrocious and has been a big part of the failure of the inside runs. It doesn't help that Bernadeau is inconsistent next to him.

What have those two drives with the hurry up and no huddle consisted of route wise and why were they successful. I'm betting you've looked at the film.

The hurry up we run is mainly verticals with some with a crossing route underneath. It's a clear concept. What we really need to do is just stick with the Posse set (S11) and run from it because it does gain good yardage on 1st downs.

Our 3WR set from the shotgun or under center has been really effective this year. It's sort of a spread set in reality because Witten is usually split wide instead of being inline.

[Bigdog24]

Originally Posted by juck

Garrett is running a system that needs a pinpoint accurate laser arm and a serious Oline. His routes are long. Romo is a west coast style QB all the way. IMO I think they dont compliment each other well.

No matter how bad things get, neither will go anywhere. Jerry will be forced to lose crazy (real) money to buy out their contracts. Everyone knows how Jerry loves his money. Its not a salary cap issue, it cold hard franklins that Jerry will be forced to pay for someone to leave.

IE I read Jason Garrett contract is solid 4.5mil for 2013 and 2014 plus 2mil for this year, 11mil total. Garrett is will be the coach for awhile....

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Austin is starting to come around, and is making big plays in the slot like he used to. The bigger problem is with the two guys on the outside who are not speed match-up problems or are inconsistent catchers. Romo is taking what the defense gives him and sometimes that entails throwing the ball to KO or Bryant, neither or which are reliable in crucial situations.



Not being able to get chunk yardage from a defensive cover 2 is the real killer. It's not the end all for the offense but it sure keeps us heavily unbalanced in drives. Cook's run blocking is really atrocious and has been a big part of the failure of the inside runs. It doesn't help that Bernadeau is inconsistent next to him.



The hurry up we run is mainly verticals with some with a crossing route underneath. It's a clear concept. What we really need to do is just stick with the Posse set (S11) and run from it because it does gain good yardage on 1st downs.
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Our 3WR set from the shotgun or under center has been really effective this year. It's sort of a spread set in reality because Witten is usually split wide instead of being inline.

Most of that offense is Witten underneath and short intermediates, Austin, and some Dez on crossing routes to the sideline. OT caught the TD on a broken play. Not being able to run is making us esp vunerable in the RZ esp on the goal line. We're just too one dimensional.

We seem to do ok from the 12 but just off of memory we don't seem to be doing that as much as last year but I don't have any stats just my impression.

Why do you think the spread is successful? Some of that offense in hurry up has to be keeping the D off balance and out of some of their special packages I'd think. Imagine there is more to it than that though. What do you think?

[Clove]

Romo still has a fan base. Garrett has none. Do the math.

[Kangaroo]

Originally Posted by jobberone

Most of that offense is Witten underneath and short intermediates, Austin, and some Dez on crossing routes to the sideline. OT caught the TD on a broken play. Not being able to run is making us esp vunerable in the RZ esp on the goal line. We're just too one dimensional.

We seem to do ok from the 12 but just off of memory we don't seem to be doing that as much as last year but I don't have any stats just my impression.

Why do you think the spread is successful? Some of that offense in hurry up has to be keeping the D off balance and out of some of their special packages I'd think. Imagine there is more to it than that though. What do you think?

Greenbay can not run, oline is as bad or worse then ours but they are better at passing and can get TD in the Redzone still. Then again they execute better than us. I do not by you have to be able run to get TD's

Greenbay as a team has 2 rushing TD's that is it and they have 26.6 points a game

New Orleans who offense has still put up numbers has a total 4 rushing TD's and the team has 27.2 points a game

GB is +4 TO and NO is dead even.

So while a running game can make it easier to score it is not an excuse for Dallas not scoring.


Both those team are in the top 10 scoring teams.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Austin is starting to come around, and is making big plays in the slot like he used to. The bigger problem is with the two guys on the outside who are not speed match-up problems or are inconsistent catchers. Romo is taking what the defense gives him and sometimes that entails throwing the ball to KO or Bryant, neither or which are reliable in crucial situations.

Not being able to get chunk yardage from a defensive cover 2 is the real killer. It's not the end all for the offense but it sure keeps us heavily unbalanced in drives. Cook's run blocking is really atrocious and has been a big part of the failure of the inside runs. It doesn't help that Bernadeau is inconsistent next to him.

The hurry up we run is mainly verticals with some with a crossing route underneath. It's a clear concept. What we really need to do is just stick with the Posse set (S11) and run from it because it does gain good yardage on 1st downs.

[View Full Quote]Our 3WR set from the shotgun or under center has been really effective this year. It's sort of a spread set in reality because Witten is usually split wide instead of being inline.

Bluestang, this is just a quality post, all the way around.

[kirkjrk]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

If I were Romo there is no way I'd sign an extension with this team. Hit the market and try to go somewhere where I have a chance to compete in January. I bet he'd be amazed at how a real NFL franchise is run.

I Agree. He will get his money he wants from another team, most probably of his choice. Why would he want to stay and put his health in jeopardy.? Why would he want to play for a coach that has no clue how to lead, discipline, call plays, just not HC material? Why would he want to continue playing for a delusional owner?