Go Back   Dallas Cowboys Forum - CowboysZone.com > Main Forums > Fan Zone

Cowboys Chat: 0 user(s) online


Home  |  Fan Zone  |  News Zone  |  Draft Zone  |  Off-topic Zone  |  Forum Rules  |  Chat  |  ** Change Graphics **

Reply
 
Display Modes Thread Tools
Old 11-07-2012   #16
Idgit
The Instant Classic
 
Idgit's Avatar
Years Donated
2005, 2009, 2012, 2013
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
Moar leadership!
Posts:
20,393
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluestang View Post
In all fairness to Bryant, I think he's going through that phase where he's "thinking" too much about his responsibilities on every play.

Especially with gaffes that have caused game changing plays, I'm sure he's feeling the pressure every game.

On the other side of the coin though he does come through with a big play that will make any Head Coach think twice about sitting him.

It's frustrating to watch half the time and then awe inspiring the other half.

Deep down I hope Bryant makes a committment to study tape with Romo and tries to learn how to be a precise route runner in the offseason.
I wish I could believe he's not already trying as hard as he can. He's maybe the best example of a coach-killer I can ever remember seeing. Unreal talent, no learning curve.

I love the kid. I don't trust him. The negative plays he can't avoid are worth 5 times the positive plays he's able to make. He shouldn't be starting if he can't keep from blowing 2-3 routes/adjustments per game, no matter how insanely talented he is.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
Idgit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012   #17
Mr_Bill
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Posts:
360
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by couchscout View Post
I truly wish I had more time this season to report to you guys the things I see on a game by game basis, I just don't. I've got this new scouting business and all the stuff they are asking me to do, and my dad has started a machine shop and has asked me to help with it. I'm busier than I've ever been in any point in my life. However, I set aside time tonight specifically to write this for those of you who have been PMing me asking all kinds of questions. I haven't forgotten about you guys, or given up on this team, just have to much work to do. Let's get started shall we.



Not Quite Romo -

[View Full Quote]
Awesome report!

You didn't mention Hatcher, however, which would seem to be a large omission. I would also like your take on other defensive players, like Spears, Butler, Connor, and Sims and Ogletree and Hanna on offense, if you have the time and inclination.
Mr_Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #18
dadymat
I'm kind of a Big Deal
 
dadymat's Avatar
 
Joined:
Dec 2007
Location:
Under The Bus
Posts:
6,020
Default

*Romo*

Quote:
Originally Posted by couchscout View Post

Don't know what's wrong with him, not gonna speculate though I have some ideas. I just know that he needs to turn it around.
can you elaborate on this ?
dadymat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #19
DandyDon1722
It's been a good 'un, ain't it?
 
DandyDon1722's Avatar
 
Joined:
Apr 2008
Posts:
1,429
Default

Thanks again - your reads are better than Peter King. I bet every fan of every team would like a scout breakdown of their team.

The Romo stuff is very disconcerting, because I am like you in every way in that I believe in him. He has affected me in ways not many previous players have in that I constantly am fighting for him. Maybe because we can identify with him in some way.

You were coy in naming what you think his problems are but without disclosing everything -- is it personnel, scheme and coaching or are his problems physical, mental and age related. I can't imagine such a fall off is skill related - in 12 months?

No specifics needed but I think your answer will tell us a lot.
DandyDon1722 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #20
windward
NFL Historian
 
windward's Avatar
 
Joined:
Apr 2004
Location:
Kaneohe, Hawaii
Posts:
14,320
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by couchscout View Post
Incredibly sad that all Romo needs to be successful is a WR that is where he supposed to be 100% of the time...and somehow half of his receiving options most plays can't be counted on to do that. If I was Jason, I would seriously just bench em both and see what happens with Harris/Beasley/Coale. Guess that's why I'm not an NFL coach.
If it's a vet we're after, Greg Jennings and Wes Welker are the two most notable FAs available. If we could snag Welker, I have a feeling he'd be Tony's new best friend.
windward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #21
gmoney112
Senior Member
 
gmoney112's Avatar
 
Joined:
Mar 2008
Location:
Texas Tech
Posts:
2,618
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DandyDon1722 View Post
Thanks again - your reads are better than Peter King. I bet every fan of every team would like a scout breakdown of their team.

The Romo stuff is very disconcerting, because I am like you in every way in that I believe in him. He has affected me in ways not many previous players have in that I constantly am fighting for him. Maybe because we can identify with him in some way.

You were coy in naming what you think his problems are but without disclosing everything -- is it personnel, scheme and coaching or are his problems physical, mental and age related. I can't imagine such a fall off is skill related - in 12 months?

No specifics needed but I think your answer will tell us a lot.
Probably has something to with the fact that he has no running game to rely on, his line routinely getting him killed, and having, arguably, the worst route running starting WR's in the NFL.

I'd wager his frustration at no one knowing the damn game plan or how to make basic adjustments has directly lead to his decline in play this season.
gmoney112 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #22
Hoofbite
Senior Member
 
Hoofbite's Avatar
 
Joined:
Apr 2005
Posts:
29,067
Default

Like the write-up. Good stuff.

I have an observation about Claiborne I'd like to throw out and see what you think.

I've noticed he displays a pretty sly ability to move the receiver off his route on patterns straight down the field. He gets into perfect position, looks back at the ball and leans into the receiver, forcing the receiver into the sideline and in the case against Alshon Jeffries (Chicago game, think that's who it was), he forced him completely out of bounds.

Personally, I think it's amazingly clever and pretty unique. I can't think of another CB who does this. Granted, I don't really watch any specific team with the same frequency that I watch Dallas but I still can't think of another DB who does it.

It's almost like he's found a way to get away with a penalty. He's forcing the WR off his route well past 5 yards and he's preventing the WR from making a play on the ball because he's ushered him so far out. The beautiful part it is, he's in such perfect position and looking back at the ball that it is almost impossible to say that he isn't exercising his right to ball.

You see guys like Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates a few years back use their body positioning to shield the defender from making a play. I've yet to really see DBs do it.

Like I said, the Chicago game was where he carried Jeffries out of bounds but he was also doing it in the Baltimore game on the Smith TD. The only problem was Smith didn't allow himself to get forced off his route and the result was an awkward step that hyperextended his knee and bounced him up off his feet.

I love it. I think he's got an exception ability to keep pace while looking back and it allows him to get his head around early and maintain position.

He definitely looks like he has the ability to develop into a exceptional player.
Hoofbite is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #23
couchscout
Senior Member
 
couchscout's Avatar
 
Joined:
Sep 2007
Posts:
708
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Bill View Post
Awesome report!

You didn't mention Hatcher, however, which would seem to be a large omission. I would also like your take on other defensive players, like Spears, Butler, Connor, and Sims and Ogletree and Hanna on offense, if you have the time and inclination.
I knew I was forgetting someone! Hatcher has been awesome when healthy. He's a very good pass rusher and an above average run defender. I think he's best used in a rotation where he can use his surprising athleticism will catch opponents off guard.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Idgit View Post
I wish I could believe he's not already trying as hard as he can. He's maybe the best example of a coach-killer I can ever remember seeing. Unreal talent, no learning curve.

I love the kid. I don't trust him. The negative plays he can't avoid are worth 5 times the positive plays he's able to make. He shouldn't be starting if he can't keep from blowing 2-3 routes/adjustments per game, no matter how insanely talented he is.
This. Holy crap this!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadymat View Post
*Romo*



can you elaborate on this ?
It's not very nice, and as I said, it's pure speculation, so I'm not gonna elaborate.


Quote:
Originally Posted by windward View Post
If it's a vet we're after, Greg Jennings and Wes Welker are the two most notable FAs available. If we could snag Welker, I have a feeling he'd be Tony's new best friend.
I would have to go change my shorts if we ended up with Jennings. I like Welker too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoofbite View Post
Like the write-up. Good stuff.

I have an observation about Claiborne I'd like to throw out and see what you think.

I've noticed he displays a pretty sly ability to move the receiver off his route on patterns straight down the field. He gets into perfect position, looks back at the ball and leans into the receiver, forcing the receiver into the sideline and in the case against Alshon Jeffries (Chicago game, think that's who it was), he forced him completely out of bounds.

Personally, I think it's amazingly clever and pretty unique. I can't think of another CB who does this. Granted, I don't really watch any specific team with the same frequency that I watch Dallas but I still can't think of another DB who does it.

[View Full Quote]

You know how pre-draft all the the scouting services were talking about Mo's elite ball skills? Most fans tend to think of that as the ability to put your hands in the right spot to catch or knock down the ball. And while that is technically correct, it's not complete. The ability to track the ball in air and put your body in the best position to catch it is part of that. Most CBs aren't nearly as good at that as WRs (they don't do it or practice it as often) but Mo is every bit as good as most WRs. Very, very nice observation by the way.
Treat everyone like a gentleman, not because they are, but because you are - Ed Sabol
couchscout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #24
rkell87
Senior Member
 
rkell87's Avatar
 
Joined:
Jul 2009
Location:
richardson,tx
Posts:
6,937
Default

I think romo's wife is in his ear about not getting himself killed for a team that won't invest in protecting him along with WR that aren't helping him out even when he does escape the pocket. That and maybe him thinking about his quality of life after the game with his son.

It is not the waitress's fault!
rkell87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #25
Bluestang
Senior Member
 
Bluestang's Avatar
 
Joined:
May 2009
Location:
Idaho
Posts:
4,728
Default

Chris Collinsworth made an excellent point about our run blocking during the ATL game. It was when we where in the redzone and we ran the ball using Smith to get up to the second level.

Smith and Witten doubled John Abraham and Smith released to the second level to get the LB. Smith didn't hold his block long enough to create movement to help Witten sustain the block on Abraham.

The result was that Abraham was able to push inside to take down the ball carrier which resulted in a no gain run.

It's just one area of the problems of the run blocking but the OL's timing is completely out of sync with Callahan's ZB scheme.
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
Bluestang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #26
Vintage
The Cult of Jib
 
Vintage's Avatar
 
Joined:
Mar 2006
Location:
Jefferson-land
Posts:
11,838
Default

I'm guessing he thinks Romo being a father has shifted his priorities.

Or perhaps given up as a result of either Garrett... Or having to endure stupid WR options.



Jerry Jones: "I don't know when I've ever seen a player impress our staff without having played in a ball game any more than Matt Johnson."
Vintage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #27
burmafrd
Senior Member
Years Donated
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
 
Joined:
May 2005
Location:
WHITE SANDS NM
Posts:
38,175
Default

With Romo I think its in his head

I think he really doubts for the first time that he should stay here.

And once doubts get inside you they are very hard to remove




You think about it:

The O line is neglected YEAR AFTER YEAR

Last year he was put in the hospital and Jerruh STILL DID NOTHING (or relatively nothing to fix it)

He has to look around and wonder what is the point?



and then of course all the garbage he gets from the media - worse than any other QB gets in the whole NFL



who would really blame him if he just went and retired?

He already has enough money to be comfortable the rest of his life- he has a new wife and young child.
Las Cruces NM
White Sands NM

Where men are men and the sheep are scared!
burmafrd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #28
perrykemp
Senior Member
 
perrykemp's Avatar
 
Joined:
May 2008
Posts:
3,420
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluestang View Post
In all fairness to Bryant, I think he's going through that phase where he's "thinking" too much about his responsibilities on every play.

Especially with gaffes that have caused game changing plays, I'm sure he's feeling the pressure every game.
I think what CS is pointing out is Dez's problem isn't really confidence problem -- its a fundamental intelligence issue.

People joke here on CZ all the the time how Dez is dumber than a bag of rocks, etc, -- somewhat distastefully, however, if you boil down CS's comments on the matter he is questioning Dez's basic intelligence level.
perrykemp is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #29
CoCo
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Apr 2005
Posts:
5,318
Default

First off, love the write-up as usual CS. Really appreciate you finding the time.

It seems like a bit of a perfect storm that is neutralizing Romo.

As counter-intuitive as it seems I've been thinking that one of this team's greatest weaknesses could be WR. You can't have one guy untrustable and another who keeps letting the ball into his pads to catch the ball - see Chicago INT and last week on 3rd down, settling for the FG.

That tiny little sample of running ability vs Baltimore with Costa has certainly had me intrigued. I want Costa back as much as I want Murray back. And I haven't gone back to focus on him but it has seemed that Free has been stabilizing and to some degree the pass protection overall. Much better than it was to start the season.

I can't blame Romo for coming apart a bit. What more could be piled on this guy's back? Makeshift line, no running game, and receivers who can't be trusted. If Romo is protecting himself a bit, I understand. If Romo is asking whether he WANTS to re-sign here, I understand.

You can say that when we get everyone back we'll be fine. But how long will everyone stay back? Murray is a great talent but we need another one just like him. Felix shows glimpses of that, but always ultimately disappoints. We can't simply fold-up when a Murray or Costa goes down if we're also compromised at WR.

The team is in a scary spot with its offense as crippled as it is. Even with the defense playing well we don't get turnovers at this point. So we see this choice being made to pull in the O's wings cause we can't risk more stupid turnovers but then discontent when like the Atlanta game we score few points cause we're playing it safe. In the end I think they'll go back AGAIN and ask Romo to find a way to push the envelope to make the offense explosive without a running game, with compromised WR's and shaky pass protection because there is more hope in that than thinking we can win consistently scoring in the teens and low 20's.
CoCo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012   #30
CoCo
Senior Member
 
Joined:
Apr 2005
Posts:
5,318
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by burmafrd View Post
With Romo I think its in his head

I think he really doubts for the first time that he should stay here.

And once doubts get inside you they are very hard to remove




You think about it:

The O line is neglected YEAR AFTER YEAR

Last year he was put in the hospital and Jerruh STILL DID NOTHING (or relatively nothing to fix it)

He has to look around and wonder what is the point?



and then of course all the garbage he gets from the media - worse than any other QB gets in the whole NFL



who would really blame him if he just went and retired?

He already has enough money to be comfortable the rest of his life- he has a new wife and young child.
I have to believe the above is at play in Romo's mind. I think he wants to press on and pursue the SB dream but it can't be done without help and currently he has no help.
CoCo is online now   Reply With Quote

Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2004-2012 CowboysZone.com