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11-07-2012
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Originally Posted by Bluestang
In all fairness to Bryant, I think he's going through that phase where he's "thinking" too much about his responsibilities on every play.
Especially with gaffes that have caused game changing plays, I'm sure he's feeling the pressure every game.
On the other side of the coin though he does come through with a big play that will make any Head Coach think twice about sitting him.
It's frustrating to watch half the time and then awe inspiring the other half.
Deep down I hope Bryant makes a committment to study tape with Romo and tries to learn how to be a precise route runner in the offseason.
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I wish I could believe he's not already trying as hard as he can. He's maybe the best example of a coach-killer I can ever remember seeing. Unreal talent, no learning curve.
I love the kid. I don't trust him. The negative plays he can't avoid are worth 5 times the positive plays he's able to make. He shouldn't be starting if he can't keep from blowing 2-3 routes/adjustments per game, no matter how insanely talented he is.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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11-07-2012
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Originally Posted by couchscout
I truly wish I had more time this season to report to you guys the things I see on a game by game basis, I just don't. I've got this new scouting business and all the stuff they are asking me to do, and my dad has started a machine shop and has asked me to help with it. I'm busier than I've ever been in any point in my life. However, I set aside time tonight specifically to write this for those of you who have been PMing me asking all kinds of questions. I haven't forgotten about you guys, or given up on this team, just have to much work to do. Let's get started shall we.
Not Quite Romo -
[View Full Quote]The Tony Romo I've seen in film study this year is not the Tony Romo I saw all of last year. He's not the same player, and it's really not close. Last years Romo could have won you a Super Bowl with the right players around him. This years Romo might lead you to the playoffs and have a semi-exciting loss in the first round if he had the right players around him. He's missing. Missing throws, missing reads, missing Laurent Robinson. I wrote last year that if Dez didn't improve dramatically on the mental part of the game that Romo would start ignoring him. Well folks, we're there. Romo has gone into full blown Dez ignore mode. He has consistently ignored a wide open and beyond the sticks Dez for a shorter throw to someone (anyone) else. His passes are sailing on him. For the first time in his entire career, that playmaker magic is all but gone. I've even seen him consciously giving up on plays this season. I don't know what it is, maybe it's age, maybe it's being a father, maybe it's all the people in his ear, I dunno, but he's not the same player. I cannot begin to describe to you how much it hurts to say this. This is a player I've loved and defended since day one. I saw him throw one pass in a preseason game against Jacksonville before anyone knew who he was, and I instantly said to my friend "that right there, that's what we need. Did you see that? His back foot hit on his drop and the ball came out, on time, accurate, and to the right person." I started following him from that moment, and started believing he was the one to put us back on top shortly after. That faith started wavering for the first time this season. I'm not saying it's over, he could turn it around, but he has a hole to climb out of.
Speaking of Holes -
I said it last year, and I'll repeat it again. Miles Austin has a hole in his catch radius. It's shoulder wide, starts at the top of his numbers and ends at the top of his face mask opening. If you throw the ball that small area, he's gonna drop it every time. It's uncanny. Go back and look at his drops, it's flat out crazy. And speaking of Austin, he's so miscast in this offense it's insane. He's a slot WR, that's what he is. He doesn't need to be on the outside. He can win out there, and he can have success out there, but that's not what he's built to do. He's a big slot guy. My guess is that his designation as an outside guy has to do with a combination of his salary and a lack of overall talent as his position. This guy needs to be used in this offense the way Wes Welker is used in his. On the inside down after down creating mismatches and making life easier for the guys outside.
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Dez. Sigh. That's all I can really say. I saw it coming, I tried hard to rationalize and say if he does this, if the Cowboys do that, etc. I think the overall truth is, that despite his immense talent, and his what seems to be a sincere desire to get better and the fact that he plays with more heart than the rest of the team combined...the man just isn't smart enough to be an NFL WR. Now, I have no proof of this, all of that is based purely on film eval. Yeah, he's gonna do some awesome things, and he'll have a big game or two before it's all said and done, but it won't be consistent enough to rely on. For some reason people don't seem to understand how important intelligence is in the NFL, especially at WR. You don't have to be a genius, but a certain level is needed. As I said before, I haven't completely given up on Dez, and I will never completely give up on any player (that's the coach in me), but there isn't much faith left.
Murray and Felix -
Last year Kosier almost single handedly killed our running game with an assist from Costa, this year its Ryan Cook, with an assist from Vickers. Murray is clearly the better player, and like many I've been really down on Jones this season. He still has some unique skills, but it's just not enough. I have a little observation on him to share with you guys. I've noticed that when he has the ball with a defender in front of him and he's jogging/running slow trying to set the guy up for a move, it literally NEVER works. He's tackled every time. Now, when he busts through the line at full speed and there is a defender on him, he makes guys miss at full speed at a rate I don't think I've ever seen. It's usually the opposite, if I have time to set a guy up, I can make him miss, but if I'm running full speed ahead, there isn't time to set a guy up. Watch for that. Especially those flare routes, when is the last time he made someone miss on those? Can't wait for Murrays return.
Vickers - Hasn't been even a portion of what he was advertised to be. Can't believe how average he's been. I have no clue why. He isn't blowing up LBs with anywhere near the frequency we were told he would. So far this is a total waste of a roster spot. John Phillips could do his job with pretty much the exact same mediocre results.
Free - Started out like crap, progressed to below average and is now fairly steady. If he can just maintain his level of play where it is right now, he won't be the reason the offense can't move the ball. If he keeps improving he could be the reason why the offense takes off.
Berny - The very definition of average. Serviceable.
Cook - Pretty good pass protector, abysmal run blocker. Might be better at RT. Admirable the way he's filled in this season. Would be excellent depth.
Livings - Exactly as advertised, up and down. He has very good moments, and some not so stellar moments. He and Smith still haven't gelled. Seems to be getting a little more consistent as the season wears on. Would probably be helped tremendously by better C play.
Smith - Has gotten better all season. Still has both mental and physical gaffes each game. Has all pro potential. Still just a kid, and definitely still learning. Fun to watch, his athletic ability is unreal.
Phil Costus -
His injury has cost us the first half of the season. I told you guys last season that people were being way too hard on him. Now you guys know what truly terrible C play looks like (at least in the running game). Not only was he not nearly as bad as people said last year, he's one of, if not the most improved player on the team this season. What little playing time he's had this season has been excellent. I'm talking top 6-8 C in the league excellent. It was always a technique thing with him, he has to play technically perfect because of his short arms. If he does though, he has everything else you want. It's too damn bad he's missed so much time, we might be sitting at 5-3 instead of 3-5. His presence in the running game is probably worth that.
Bruce Lee -
Wow, it's too damn bad we have to wait till next season to watch these two play together again. In all honesty (and it's probably a terrible thing to say), Lee's injury is probably the best thing that could have happened for Carter. It forced him to grow up overnight. It forced him to be more of a leader. It forced him to start becoming what he could be much much faster. I just want to say for the record, that I said very very early last season that we could have a Bowman-Willis type combination with these two...before everyone started picking up on it this year. My arm hurts...probably from patting my own back. If you love defense, you're gonna love having these two for the next 8+ years. The scary thought: Neither of them have really scratched the surface of what they could be.
Coleman - Steady, nothing special. Likely to be replaced in the offseason.
Ratliff - What we've seen so far has been incredible. He's pushing the pocket like he's 25 again. Hope the injury doesn't cost him much more time.
Brent - Up and down. Some weeks he fights off blocks and makes tackles, stuffs holes, and generates pressure. Some weeks he catches blocks and watches RBs run right past him. Needs to put it all together. Definitely another player that proves this front office can find those diamonds.
Crawford - Has been a revelation. He's not perfect, and he's nowhere near as good as he could be yet, but he's been very very good for a rookie. He'll start next year. Could be the pressure player we've been looking for at DE.
Lissemore - Started very strong, the injury is a damn shame. Would be interesting to see a starting DL of Lissemore - Ratliff - Crawford next year.
Is Spencer Worth It -
That's the 9 million dollar question isn't it? I think we all see what happens to this defense when he's injured (his lack of an injury history is one of the more underrated things about him), but does that make him worth 9 mil? If I had my guess, I would say the Cowboys would love to resign him this year to a mid level contract, 5 years 30 mil, something like that. It will be very interesting to see what offers he gets if he's allowed to shop the open market. He's not the pressure player all of his want him to be. I will however say this, with the defensive line I talked about a second ago, he wouldn't have to be. He could be the run defender we all know him to be, help in coverage, help with the pass rush and get paid decent. I have a suspicion he's chomping at the bit to go somewhere and get paid really well to be their pass rush star. We shall see.
Ware - Still awesome, still needs a stronger inside pass rush move.
Carr - For the most part he's been very very good. He's gotten burned a few times, which they all do, but he hasn't been consistently beaten like a drum like Newman was the latter half of last year. I would love to see what he could do if the offense really took off and started putting other teams into desperation mode. Great ball denial CB.
Claiborne - Best defensive player in this draft, and has proven it consistently. His ability to stay right in the WR's pocket is really something to watch. He's got a few areas he needs to improve (zone coverage, carrying WR's across the formation, tackling), but he's already the best DB on this team. Barring injury or some off field stuff we don't know about, he will be a super star. Claiborne makes the NFL Rewind package worth the $70 all by himself. Seriously, get it, watch him, pick up your jaw.
Scandrick - Improvement over last year is pretty stark. Not anywhere near the liability he's previously been in his career. Of course, he was one of the big goats last week, so that's fresh in people's memory (including mine), but it doesn't change the fact that he's been erasing slot WR's all season.
Jenkins - Been pretty good when asked to play. Attitude is not great, but his effort has not noticeably waned. Still a pathetic tackler, and somewhat of a coward when it comes to sticking his head in there, but he's a reliable man coverage defender.
Sensy, McCray, Chruch -
Chruch started out on fire which I think we all know. It's too bad all that momentum has been erased. I'm sure I'm not the only one excited to see him return next season. Sensy has been Sensy, a good man defender, a mediocre to bad zone coverage defender and a lousy to mediocre tackler. McCray has held up as well as I think is possible for him. He's limited physically and from an ability/instincts standpoint. More depth is needed at this position.
Overall -
This offense is flawed, it's designed to be a running offense that makes you pick your poison between defending the run or stopping the pass. The problem is teams are stopping the run with 7, and sometimes 6 guys. Until the running game comes back, this offense will continue to go nowhere. The defense is on the verge of being special. Not sure it will happen this year with McCray starting. The one place we couldn't afford injuries on this defense was safety, maybe Johnson turns out to be something, if he doesn't it's gonna set this team back. We've got to find some safety production somewhere. It sucks that the team as a whole has suffered injuries at all the exact positions we could least afford them (S, C, RB), but thems the breaks. Unless something turns around really damn quick, this season will be a complete loss.
I will do my best to answer questions or respond to comments as usual. If I don't get to yours, I apologize, I just have too many things going on. Thanks again to all those who have supported me both publicly and behind the scenes, you guys have kept me interested and involved, and definitely kept me on my toes with all your questions.
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Awesome report!
You didn't mention Hatcher, however, which would seem to be a large omission. I would also like your take on other defensive players, like Spears, Butler, Connor, and Sims and Ogletree and Hanna on offense, if you have the time and inclination.
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11-08-2012
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I'm kind of a Big Deal
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*Romo*
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Originally Posted by couchscout
Don't know what's wrong with him, not gonna speculate though I have some ideas. I just know that he needs to turn it around.
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can you elaborate on this ?
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11-08-2012
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It's been a good 'un, ain't it?
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Thanks again - your reads are better than Peter King. I bet every fan of every team would like a scout breakdown of their team.
The Romo stuff is very disconcerting, because I am like you in every way in that I believe in him. He has affected me in ways not many previous players have in that I constantly am fighting for him. Maybe because we can identify with him in some way.
You were coy in naming what you think his problems are but without disclosing everything -- is it personnel, scheme and coaching or are his problems physical, mental and age related. I can't imagine such a fall off is skill related - in 12 months?
No specifics needed but I think your answer will tell us a lot.
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11-08-2012
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NFL Historian
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Originally Posted by couchscout
Incredibly sad that all Romo needs to be successful is a WR that is where he supposed to be 100% of the time...and somehow half of his receiving options most plays can't be counted on to do that. If I was Jason, I would seriously just bench em both and see what happens with Harris/Beasley/Coale. Guess that's why I'm not an NFL coach.
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If it's a vet we're after, Greg Jennings and Wes Welker are the two most notable FAs available. If we could snag Welker, I have a feeling he'd be Tony's new best friend.
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11-08-2012
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Originally Posted by DandyDon1722
Thanks again - your reads are better than Peter King. I bet every fan of every team would like a scout breakdown of their team.
The Romo stuff is very disconcerting, because I am like you in every way in that I believe in him. He has affected me in ways not many previous players have in that I constantly am fighting for him. Maybe because we can identify with him in some way.
You were coy in naming what you think his problems are but without disclosing everything -- is it personnel, scheme and coaching or are his problems physical, mental and age related. I can't imagine such a fall off is skill related - in 12 months?
No specifics needed but I think your answer will tell us a lot.
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Probably has something to with the fact that he has no running game to rely on, his line routinely getting him killed, and having, arguably, the worst route running starting WR's in the NFL.
I'd wager his frustration at no one knowing the damn game plan or how to make basic adjustments has directly lead to his decline in play this season.
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11-08-2012
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Like the write-up. Good stuff.
I have an observation about Claiborne I'd like to throw out and see what you think.
I've noticed he displays a pretty sly ability to move the receiver off his route on patterns straight down the field. He gets into perfect position, looks back at the ball and leans into the receiver, forcing the receiver into the sideline and in the case against Alshon Jeffries (Chicago game, think that's who it was), he forced him completely out of bounds.
Personally, I think it's amazingly clever and pretty unique. I can't think of another CB who does this. Granted, I don't really watch any specific team with the same frequency that I watch Dallas but I still can't think of another DB who does it.
It's almost like he's found a way to get away with a penalty. He's forcing the WR off his route well past 5 yards and he's preventing the WR from making a play on the ball because he's ushered him so far out. The beautiful part it is, he's in such perfect position and looking back at the ball that it is almost impossible to say that he isn't exercising his right to ball.
You see guys like Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates a few years back use their body positioning to shield the defender from making a play. I've yet to really see DBs do it.
Like I said, the Chicago game was where he carried Jeffries out of bounds but he was also doing it in the Baltimore game on the Smith TD. The only problem was Smith didn't allow himself to get forced off his route and the result was an awkward step that hyperextended his knee and bounced him up off his feet.
I love it. I think he's got an exception ability to keep pace while looking back and it allows him to get his head around early and maintain position.
He definitely looks like he has the ability to develop into a exceptional player.
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11-08-2012
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Originally Posted by Mr_Bill
Awesome report!
You didn't mention Hatcher, however, which would seem to be a large omission. I would also like your take on other defensive players, like Spears, Butler, Connor, and Sims and Ogletree and Hanna on offense, if you have the time and inclination.
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I knew I was forgetting someone! Hatcher has been awesome when healthy. He's a very good pass rusher and an above average run defender. I think he's best used in a rotation where he can use his surprising athleticism will catch opponents off guard.
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Originally Posted by Idgit
I wish I could believe he's not already trying as hard as he can. He's maybe the best example of a coach-killer I can ever remember seeing. Unreal talent, no learning curve.
I love the kid. I don't trust him. The negative plays he can't avoid are worth 5 times the positive plays he's able to make. He shouldn't be starting if he can't keep from blowing 2-3 routes/adjustments per game, no matter how insanely talented he is.
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This. Holy crap this!
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Originally Posted by dadymat
*Romo*
can you elaborate on this ?
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It's not very nice, and as I said, it's pure speculation, so I'm not gonna elaborate.
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Originally Posted by windward
If it's a vet we're after, Greg Jennings and Wes Welker are the two most notable FAs available. If we could snag Welker, I have a feeling he'd be Tony's new best friend.
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I would have to go change my shorts if we ended up with Jennings. I like Welker too.
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
Like the write-up. Good stuff.
I have an observation about Claiborne I'd like to throw out and see what you think.
I've noticed he displays a pretty sly ability to move the receiver off his route on patterns straight down the field. He gets into perfect position, looks back at the ball and leans into the receiver, forcing the receiver into the sideline and in the case against Alshon Jeffries (Chicago game, think that's who it was), he forced him completely out of bounds.
Personally, I think it's amazingly clever and pretty unique. I can't think of another CB who does this. Granted, I don't really watch any specific team with the same frequency that I watch Dallas but I still can't think of another DB who does it.
[View Full Quote]It's almost like he's found a way to get away with a penalty. He's forcing the WR off his route well past 5 yards and he's preventing the WR from making a play on the ball because he's ushered him so far out. The beautiful part it is, he's in such perfect position and looking back at the ball that it is almost impossible to say that he isn't exercising his right to ball.
You see guys like Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates a few years back use their body positioning to shield the defender from making a play. I've yet to really see DBs do it.
Like I said, the Chicago game was where he carried Jeffries out of bounds but he was also doing it in the Baltimore game on the Smith TD. The only problem was Smith didn't allow himself to get forced off his route and the result was an awkward step that hyperextended his knee and bounced him up off his feet.
I love it. I think he's got an exception ability to keep pace while looking back and it allows him to get his head around early and maintain position.
He definitely looks like he has the ability to develop into a exceptional player.
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You know how pre-draft all the the scouting services were talking about Mo's elite ball skills? Most fans tend to think of that as the ability to put your hands in the right spot to catch or knock down the ball. And while that is technically correct, it's not complete. The ability to track the ball in air and put your body in the best position to catch it is part of that. Most CBs aren't nearly as good at that as WRs (they don't do it or practice it as often) but Mo is every bit as good as most WRs. Very, very nice observation by the way.
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11-08-2012
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I think romo's wife is in his ear about not getting himself killed for a team that won't invest in protecting him along with WR that aren't helping him out even when he does escape the pocket. That and maybe him thinking about his quality of life after the game with his son.
It is not the waitress's fault!
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11-08-2012
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Chris Collinsworth made an excellent point about our run blocking during the ATL game. It was when we where in the redzone and we ran the ball using Smith to get up to the second level.
Smith and Witten doubled John Abraham and Smith released to the second level to get the LB. Smith didn't hold his block long enough to create movement to help Witten sustain the block on Abraham.
The result was that Abraham was able to push inside to take down the ball carrier which resulted in a no gain run.
It's just one area of the problems of the run blocking but the OL's timing is completely out of sync with Callahan's ZB scheme.
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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The Cult of Jib
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I'm guessing he thinks Romo being a father has shifted his priorities.
Or perhaps given up as a result of either Garrett... Or having to endure stupid WR options.
Jerry Jones: "I don't know when I've ever seen a player impress our staff without having played in a ball game any more than Matt Johnson."
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11-08-2012
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With Romo I think its in his head
I think he really doubts for the first time that he should stay here.
And once doubts get inside you they are very hard to remove
You think about it:
The O line is neglected YEAR AFTER YEAR
Last year he was put in the hospital and Jerruh STILL DID NOTHING (or relatively nothing to fix it)
He has to look around and wonder what is the point?
and then of course all the garbage he gets from the media - worse than any other QB gets in the whole NFL
who would really blame him if he just went and retired?
He already has enough money to be comfortable the rest of his life- he has a new wife and young child.
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11-08-2012
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Originally Posted by Bluestang
In all fairness to Bryant, I think he's going through that phase where he's "thinking" too much about his responsibilities on every play.
Especially with gaffes that have caused game changing plays, I'm sure he's feeling the pressure every game.
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I think what CS is pointing out is Dez's problem isn't really confidence problem -- its a fundamental intelligence issue.
People joke here on CZ all the the time how Dez is dumber than a bag of rocks, etc, -- somewhat distastefully, however, if you boil down CS's comments on the matter he is questioning Dez's basic intelligence level.
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11-08-2012
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First off, love the write-up as usual CS. Really appreciate you finding the time.
It seems like a bit of a perfect storm that is neutralizing Romo.
As counter-intuitive as it seems I've been thinking that one of this team's greatest weaknesses could be WR. You can't have one guy untrustable and another who keeps letting the ball into his pads to catch the ball - see Chicago INT and last week on 3rd down, settling for the FG.
That tiny little sample of running ability vs Baltimore with Costa has certainly had me intrigued. I want Costa back as much as I want Murray back. And I haven't gone back to focus on him but it has seemed that Free has been stabilizing and to some degree the pass protection overall. Much better than it was to start the season.
I can't blame Romo for coming apart a bit. What more could be piled on this guy's back? Makeshift line, no running game, and receivers who can't be trusted. If Romo is protecting himself a bit, I understand. If Romo is asking whether he WANTS to re-sign here, I understand.
You can say that when we get everyone back we'll be fine. But how long will everyone stay back? Murray is a great talent but we need another one just like him. Felix shows glimpses of that, but always ultimately disappoints. We can't simply fold-up when a Murray or Costa goes down if we're also compromised at WR.
The team is in a scary spot with its offense as crippled as it is. Even with the defense playing well we don't get turnovers at this point. So we see this choice being made to pull in the O's wings cause we can't risk more stupid turnovers but then discontent when like the Atlanta game we score few points cause we're playing it safe. In the end I think they'll go back AGAIN and ask Romo to find a way to push the envelope to make the offense explosive without a running game, with compromised WR's and shaky pass protection because there is more hope in that than thinking we can win consistently scoring in the teens and low 20's.
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11-08-2012
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Originally Posted by burmafrd
With Romo I think its in his head
I think he really doubts for the first time that he should stay here.
And once doubts get inside you they are very hard to remove
You think about it:
The O line is neglected YEAR AFTER YEAR
Last year he was put in the hospital and Jerruh STILL DID NOTHING (or relatively nothing to fix it)
He has to look around and wonder what is the point?
and then of course all the garbage he gets from the media - worse than any other QB gets in the whole NFL
who would really blame him if he just went and retired?
He already has enough money to be comfortable the rest of his life- he has a new wife and young child.
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I have to believe the above is at play in Romo's mind. I think he wants to press on and pursue the SB dream but it can't be done without help and currently he has no help.
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