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dexternjack · 11-09-2012

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Are you out of your damn mind? You're talking about one of the greatest pass rushers of all time in DeMarcus Ware, one of the greatest tight ends in Jason Witten, and a terrific albeit struggling quarterback in Tony Romo. You seriously wouldn't trade Luck for that? That's just ridiculous to turn down an offer that includes terrific players like that would without question improve your football team.

Good grief Luck is getting overrated and for what because he beat a couple of bad teams? He beat one good team this season in the Packers, but that was over a month ago when they were struggling. These last few weeks have all been against subpar teams in Cleveland, Tennessee, Miami, and today Jacksonville. Overall on the season Luck has been average at best. Only 10 touchdown passes, 8 picks, and a very mediocre 79 QB rating. He's also completing 56 percent of his passes which is terrible. Not impressed at all.

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Well, Romo and Witten have reached their peak and Ware isn't far behind. It would be tough to pass on a QB who should be a staple for the next 12 years. Adding in the #1 pick is a bit much tho.

Romo, Witten and a #1, I would do it in a heartbeat. Luck is going to be a great one as long as he stays healthy and he is much better than RG3.

Cowboys&LakersFan · 11-09-2012

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Originally Posted by dexternjack

Well, Romo and Witten have reached their peak and Ware isn't far behind. It would be tough to pass on a QB who should be a staple for the next 12 years. Adding in the #1 pick is a bit much tho.

Romo, Witten and a #1, I would do it in a heartbeat. Luck is going to be a great one as long as he stays healthy and he is much better than RG3.

How is Luck much better than Griffin? You keep saying that yet give no explanation why. I just posted the stats and it's not even a contest who's the better quarterback right now. It's Griffin. He's been far more accurate, less turnovers, and far more total touchdowns. As for the trade it'd be a stupid one because you'd be downgrading at two key positions. If Witten is gone who is the guy Luck can trust to throw to besides Austin? Who rushes the pass rusher consistently? That's one of the worst trade suggestions I've ever seen in my life.

Blackspider214 · 11-09-2012

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So why hasn't someone else been this years Robinson?

Because Robinson is a little more talented than what we have here right now. But definitely not talented enough to warrant the contract he got and to be a featured WR. Ogeltree has the potential and showed it against the Giants but mentally, he's just not there. It shows signs of flashes here and there at times.

My thing wasn't that anyone can do what Robinson did here. My point was Robinson benefited heavily from his situation and looked better than what he really is. Most knew that. Happens all the times in sports, especially the NBA.

dexternjack · 11-09-2012

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How is Luck much better than Griffin? You keep saying that yet give no explanation why. I just posted the stats and it's not even a contest who's the better quarterback right now. It's Griffin. He's been far more accurate, less turnovers, and far more total touchdowns. As for the trade it'd be a stupid one because you'd be downgrading at two key positions. If Witten is gone who is the guy Luck can trust to throw to besides Austin? Who rushes the pass rusher consistently? That's one of the worst trade suggestions I've ever seen in my life.

I don't keep saying that, I said it once for the record. Stats do not tell all, both are in different offenses. RG3 throws a lot of short passes which will boost the % and his offense is styled all around him. Robert is playing well, especially for a rookie but when it comes to mechanics, Luck has the definite edge over him.

To be honest, I have only seen a few RG3 pro games and some college, but I live 15 miles from Stanford. I got the opportunity to see Luck play a lot and he is the best prospect I have seen in awhile. He seems to have it all.

RG3 is very similar to Cam's first season, it generally takes defenses longer to adjust to mobile QB's. I expect RG3 to go through the same sophomore slump that Cam is going through. Now for Luck, I don't see it happening, think he only gets better and better each season.

As of right now, RG does have the better stats but cream always rises to the top and I think Luck will be decisively better at the end of their careers. Of course there are variables that can come into play that affects their play, but I have no doubt Luck ends out on top.

BraveHeartFan · 11-09-2012

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How is Luck much better than Griffin? You keep saying that yet give no explanation why. I just posted the stats and it's not even a contest who's the better quarterback right now. It's Griffin. He's been far more accurate, less turnovers, and far more total touchdowns. As for the trade it'd be a stupid one because you'd be downgrading at two key positions. If Witten is gone who is the guy Luck can trust to throw to besides Austin? Who rushes the pass rusher consistently? That's one of the worst trade suggestions I've ever seen in my life.

The Colts will win a Superbowl with Luck long before the Redskins even compete for an NFC Championship appearance.

That's the difference between Luck and Griffin.

crazytown41 · 11-09-2012

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How is Luck much better than Griffin? You keep saying that yet give no explanation why. I just posted the stats and it's not even a contest who's the better quarterback right now. It's Griffin. He's been far more accurate, less turnovers, and far more total touchdowns.

Please tell me you were just being facetious. If not, still say you are so you can save face.

You're basing your opinion on a player with QB%, # of TOs, and # of TDs? I bet you also compare baseball players with batting avg., # of HRs, and RBIs. Or NBA players with ppg, FG%, and 3PM.

Shunpike · 11-09-2012

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The Colts will win a Superbowl with Luck long before the Redskins even compete for an NFC Championship appearance.

That's the difference between Luck and Griffin.

Luck's way will be easier than RG3's way in a few years

Brady and Peyton will retire. Big Ben will lose his mobility etc. Luck will probably be the best QB in AFC in a few years. Since his salary is low for the next 4 years, Colts can build a nice team around him.

RG3 on the other hand is in a tougher conference in NFC.

Rodgers and Brees will be around for a while. Also with Eli and Romo RG3's division games won't be that easy.

joseephuss · 11-09-2012

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Remember he stayed in school for his senior year.

Seems to have helped him.

They went from Peyton to this? Poor Colts.

Actually he stayed for his red shirt junior season. He could have returned to Stanford this year as a senior. Or Texas, but they never even tried to recruit him.

joseephuss · 11-09-2012

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Every time I see the Colts, that's what I think about.

It's quite disturbing that they can turn around that fast and the Cowboys can't do it in 17 years and counting...

It shows just how horrible Curtis Painter is/was? And the Colts kind of new it at the time. That is why they scrambled to bring in Kerry Collins last year.

The Colts have also played the weakest part of their schedule. Things should get tougher for them.

Luck is good and barring injuries will be good for a long time.

Hoofbite · 11-09-2012

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How is Luck much better than Griffin? You keep saying that yet give no explanation why. I just posted the stats and it's not even a contest who's the better quarterback right now. It's Griffin. He's been far more accurate, less turnovers, and far more total touchdowns. As for the trade it'd be a stupid one because you'd be downgrading at two key positions. If Witten is gone who is the guy Luck can trust to throw to besides Austin? Who rushes the pass rusher consistently? That's one of the worst trade suggestions I've ever seen in my life.

Actually Luck has 5 rushing TDs on the year, taking his total to 15 versus RG3s total of 14.

And Luck leads the league in passing yards right now.

More turnover, sure.

He also has more wins and he's been playing really well over the last few games whereas RG3 hasn't been playing as well as he was in previous games.

Probably more importantly, Luck has actually been playing QB not just game manager.

RG3 has been great but Luck hasn't been simply managing the game.

RG3 has 1993 passing yards, 1011 of which have come after the catch. 50.73%

Luck has 2631 passing yards, 849 of which have come after the catch. 32.27%

And Luck has the 4th highest Total QBR.

The fact that you didn't even know that Luck has almost as many rushing TDs as RG3 pretty much says you haven't watched him play. You likely haven't even watched RG3 play either.

BoysFan4ever · 11-09-2012

Great news that the Colts coach is doing well. It's very cool how the team has rallied around him. The pre game story had some of the panel in tears.

Cowboys&LakersFan · 11-09-2012

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Actually Luck has 5 rushing TDs on the year, taking his total to 15 versus RG3s total of 14.

And Luck leads the league in passing yards right now.

More turnover, sure.

He also has more wins and he's been playing really well over the last few games whereas RG3 hasn't been playing as well as he was in previous games.

Probably more importantly, Luck has actually been playing QB not just game manager.

RG3 has been great but Luck hasn't been simply managing the game.

RG3 has 1993 passing yards, 1011 of which have come after the catch. 50.73%

Luck has 2631 passing yards, 849 of which have come after the catch. 32.27%

And Luck has the 4th highest Total QBR.

The fact that you didn't even know that Luck has almost as many rushing TDs as RG3 pretty much says you haven't watched him play. You likely haven't even watched RG3 play either.

Ok I was wrong about the touchdowns I just missed it happens. Anyways this is a passing league nowadays. Teams throw it like never before so leading the league in passing yards isn't that big of a deal anymore. His completion percentage is horrible. I don't care how many times he has to throw 57.5 percent is flat out unacceptable. He's only got one more touchdown than a pick and considering the lack of competition he's played against outside of Chicago and Green Bay that's pretty pathetic as well. Point is Luck hasn't been nearly as impressive as some people have said he's been.

Rack Bauer · 11-09-2012

RG3's completion % is higher cuz they throw a lot more screens and swing passes. Luck runs a more conventional, down field passing offense. RG3's yards per pass is where it is cuz of his WR's yac and since they've ran so many screens it's opened up the deep ball on occasion and he's hit a few big plays.

But if you were to compare how many targets Luck has thrown 15+ yards down the field compared to RG3, I'd be my Lamborghini that I don't own that Luck has far more attempts in that category.

RG3 is a freakin' man beast, no doubt. But Luck is the better QB.

joseephuss · 11-09-2012

Luck averages 12.6 yards per completion while RGIII averages 11.6 yards per completion. That says a lot about how far down field each guy is throwing the ball. Both guys are doing well and will do so for years.

Hoofbite · 11-09-2012

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Ok I was wrong about the touchdowns I just missed it happens. Anyways this is a passing league nowadays. Teams throw it like never before so leading the league in passing yards isn't that big of a deal anymore. His completion percentage is horrible. I don't care how many times he has to throw 57.5 percent is flat out unacceptable. He's only got one more touchdown than a pick and considering the lack of competition he's played against outside of Chicago and Green Bay that's pretty pathetic as well. Point is Luck hasn't been nearly as impressive as some people have said he's been.

He's had a completion percentage close to 70% in two of the last three games and over the last month during their 4-game winning streak he's been at like 64%.

You haven't watched him play. Not to an extent that you can say how he's played so for you to say anything regarding how impressive he has looked is just a complete joke.

You're simply basing your opinion on stats, some of which you weren't even diligent enough to look up because you just assumed that Luck wasn't scoring with his feet.

You haven't watched him so you don't know how he's actually looked. Simple as that.