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11-12-2012
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Originally Posted by Joe Rod
Garrett said he adjusted his scheme to suit his personnel?
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That he doesn't.
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11-12-2012
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#17
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Surrealist
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Originally Posted by ChldsPlay
That he doesn't.
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This.
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11-12-2012
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Do you like movies about Gladiators?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChldsPlay
That he doesn't.
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Got it, thanks for the clarification.
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11-12-2012
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Run-loving Dino
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Garrett actually said that? Wow.
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Jason Garrett offense rank minus Tony Sparano: 18, 14, 7, 15, 15
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11-12-2012
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Do you like movies about Gladiators?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab
Garrett actually said that? Wow.
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I've never heard him say it, but I can see that in his schemes and even his "next man up" philosophy. IMO, He feels supremely confident that his plan for the team and his offensive philosophy in general will take the Cowboys to the highest level once he gets in the "right kind of guys" in every position.
I'm sure most people and media think that he us just using those terms as generalized answers to media questions (I used to), but he really feels that when he gets players with the right level of intelligence, work ethic and passion for the game in every position that the mistakes will stop and his offense will completely overwhelm teams.
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11-12-2012
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#21
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Originally Posted by birdwells1
the offense. Twice, when the Eagles blitzed I was shocked that we had no crossing routes called to beat the blitz. I saw receivers running straight up the field, those routes are long developing and aren't the best in beating man coverage. Was I wrong in what I saw if so lets hear it.
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If I am not mistaken, crossing or dig routes take to long to develope and with a blitz, you don't have enough time. Slants, arrows and quick outs are the way to beat a blitz.
But I could be wrong.
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11-12-2012
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#22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Rod
I'm sure most people and media think that he us just using those terms as generalized answers to media questions (I used to), but he really feels that when he gets players with the right level of intelligence, work ethic and passion for the game in every position that the mistakes will stop and his offense will completely overwhelm teams.
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I don't think he has the job security to wait for the next Troy, Irvin, Emmitt, Allen, Deon, etc, etc
He either adapts now and puts his players in the best position to succeed or get out, I don't want to wait another 5 years to get back to glory.
Everyone has a plan, until they get hit.
/ Mike Tyson
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11-12-2012
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#23
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Originally Posted by CATCH17
Garrett doesn't adjust his system.
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He will either need to learn to do that here or learn it like Bill Belichek did, at his next coaching gig. Jason needs to get his inner control freak under control. Pun intended!
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11-12-2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Rod
I've never heard him say it, but I can see that in his schemes and even his "next man up" philosophy. IMO, He feels supremely confident that his plan for the team and his offensive philosophy in general will take the Cowboys to the highest level once he gets in the "right kind of guys" in every position.
I'm sure most people and media think that he us just using those terms as generalized answers to media questions (I used to), but he really feels that when he gets players with the right level of intelligence, work ethic and passion for the game in every position that the mistakes will stop and his offense will completely overwhelm teams.
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You basically need to have a superior team for this to work and in this NFL that is almost impossible to do.
It worked for the 90's Cowboys but it won't work for the 2012 Cowboys.
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#25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fortdick
If I am not mistaken, crossing or dig routes take to long to develope and with a blitz, you don't have enough time. Slants, arrows and quick outs are the way to beat a blitz.
But I could be wrong.
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I agree, I guess when I said crossing routes I should've been more clear, I meant routes that brings the receiver across the qbs face.
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11-12-2012
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Originally Posted by ConstantReboot
No your not wrong. Our routes are long developing putting more pressure on our Oline and Romo. Garrett's playbook should be thrown out the window. It just doesn't fit with the skills of our offense.
We won in spite of Garrett's idiot playcalling.
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The reality is that Garrett's regression to his mean-tendency playcalling cost Romo some physical battering, debilitated a reborn running attack that had momentum in the opening series, took away any hope for playaction protection of routes and Romo, and essentially lost the game 23-17. I don't know why Garrett looked so happy, his system was losing and the game was bailed out by Harris and the defense.
It's a message board, that's what the topics are for.
What I don't understand...insistence...disdain...It's one thing to feel that way, and to say so. Why try to make other people agree with you....And why pretend...Disagree with me all you like...Don't start twisting mine or getting frustrated just because I don't want to eat the other half of that crap-sandwich you made for yourself...Because I don't happen to like crap sandwiches.
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11-12-2012
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#27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theogt
He's said exactly this.
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Wow. No wonder nothing ever changes.
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11-12-2012
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#28
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Originally Posted by Omegasupreme
The reality is that Garrett's regression to his mean-tendency playcalling cost Romo some physical battering, debilitated a reborn running attack that had momentum in the opening series, took away any hope for playaction protection of routes and Romo, and essentially lost the game 23-17. I don't know why Garrett looked so happy, his system was losing and the game was bailed out by Harris and the defense.
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Garrett is in over his head. The league caught onto his system. Instead of adjusting he is staying course  . What I would do to get Sean Payton in here ASAP. He is a real coordinator. All this talent on offense and He still can't take advantages of things the players do well. I wish Garrett was forced to get an established OC. He sucks at play calling and romo audibling isn't helping. Heck fire wade Wilson the qb too.
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11-12-2012
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#29
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The 2nd biggest play of the game, the Dez TD, was on a Cover zero blitz, with man to man on the outside.
When you have vertical threats like Dez/Miles, and you have single coverage, you get them down the field, and give them a chance to make a play on the ball, especially Dez. I'm not saying never run crossing routes, obviously those beat A-gap blitzes. But for the most part, I want them to get down the field when they have man coverage and no safety help.
Save the crossing routes for Witten/Beasley/Harris Ogletree.
If it's man coverage, I want Miles and especially Dez to run streaks (for the most part) and net big plays.
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11-12-2012
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#30
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Save the Snow Leopard
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fortdick
If I am not mistaken, crossing or dig routes take to long to develope and with a blitz, you don't have enough time. Slants, arrows and quick outs are the way to beat a blitz.
But I could be wrong.
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No you're right. You need to get the ball out in a hurry unless they feel they can pick it up well and make a big play. We didn't have good pass protection so my guess is we wanted to get the ball out quickly. It's not a bad idea to try and burn a blitzing team occasionally esp if you think you can pass protect long enough to increase your odds.
I was thinking today where was Michael Irvin when you needed him? He could run a quick slant and get you some yards almost automatically. Some of that physical play is gone now (you can't beat up on the DB that much anymore) but he'd still move the chains. You do that a few times and you'll back teams off that blitz and make them play you st8 up.
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Originally Posted by birdwells1
I agree, I guess when I said crossing routes I should've been more clear, I meant routes that brings the receiver across the qbs face.
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Crossing routes generally require one or two receivers clearing an area and sending someone thru that area. They probably take too long in general. The tree depends on what the DBs are taking away and giving up and where the LBs are, how well they defend, yada.
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