Brees and Rodgers far from Gods

[Clove]

Originally Posted by Zman5

Who do you think will get remembered more? Dan Marino or Trent Dilfer?

learn to read (I said break ALL NFL RECORDS)

[ChldsPlay]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Blah...blah...blah....so the 2007-2009 Oline was bad as well? They had how many Pro bowlers on that line? What was Romo's rating in the largest games during that era? I seem to remember some rather odorous stinkers in big games by the QB. Romo isn't a bad QB, but comparing Romo to Brees and Rodgers is kind of amusing since no one outside of our fanbase would ever put Romo in the same breath as those guys.

Your memory is poor.

[mldardy]

Originally Posted by Clove

Jim Kelly - Accomplished one of the greatest things in NFL history, but he's forgotten. Went to 4 super bowls in a row. If you don't win or break all NFL records, you'll be forgotten.

Don't compare nobody's to super bowl winners please.

This makes absolutely zero sense.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Blah...blah...blah....so the 2007-2009 Oline was bad as well? They had how many Pro bowlers on that line? What was Romo's rating in the largest games during that era? I seem to remember some rather odorous stinkers in big games by the QB. Romo isn't a bad QB, but comparing Romo to Brees and Rodgers is kind of amusing since no one outside of our fanbase would ever put Romo in the same breath as those guys.

2007 - good
2008 - average
2009 - below average
2010 - very bad
2011 - very bad
2012 - extremely bad

[Ken]

Originally Posted by Nav22

Only morons think QBs win and lose games on their own.

That is all.

Thank you sir. Smartest post I have seen in a while!

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by ChldsPlay

Your memory is poor.

Yup terrible.

Minnesota in 2009-smacked down 34-3 with three turnovers from Romo

Philly in 2008-last game of season playoffs on the line 44-7. Disaster.

NY Giants-2007-at home. 21-17...Romo 50% completion barely 200yds.

Nice performance against Philly in 2009. I take it that's the only time the oline protected well.

1 for 4 isn't bad in your eyes I guess.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

2007 - good
2008 - average
2009 - below average
2010 - very bad
2011 - very bad
2012 - extremely bad

Rodgers won a Super Bowl with an horrible oline that gave up 38 sacks, 70 QB hits and avg rush 3.8 yds per carry and his QB rating was 102. Again, Romo is a good QB, but he's not in Rodgers league.

[bleedin' blue]

I was just saying the same thing!!! Good post

[dboyz]

This is a very good point. For those talking about Rodgers' sacks, the guy holds the ball a lot. There were some plays for the Packers where I was saying I wish tony got that kind of protection.

[iowast8rs]

I'll still take Brees and Rodgers in a heartbeat.

[THUMPER]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

I know many on this board have been highly critical of Tony Romo and Jason Garrett. They have been critical about offensive results and interceptions over the course of this season. I've often thought that the major problem was the OL and have thought so since 2009. Today's games with Rodgers facing the Giants and Brees facing the 49ers shows how great QBs can be pressured into mistakes and not put up points when they don't get adequate protection. Nothing I saw from either of the games today was atypical for almost any Cowboys game this season.

[View Full Quote]No offense is going to accomplish much in the passing or running game if the OL lacks adequate talent. They don't have to be All-Pro although that does help. They do have to give the QB time to go through a couple reads and they do have to give enough time for the defense to have to respect the whole route tree instead of being able to aggressively jump the first move or overplay short routes. If you can't do it opposing DCs will make mincemeat of your gameplan no matter how effective it is.

The biggest difference I saw between Romo and Rodgers/Brees is that Romo consistently brings this team back once Garrett's playcalling is no longer a factor in the hurry-up.

Rodgers in particular, had nothing after the Packers got way behind and I consider him the best QB in the league over the past 3 years.

I've been saying it since 2006, Romo IS an elite QB but he has no pass protection, no time to wait for his receivers to get open, stupid receivers who can't read defenses, and no running game to speak of.

When Murray was healthy and we did have a consistent running game Romo was fabulous! I'd have to look at the numbers but my recollection is that Romo's stats were outstanding when Murray was healthy. Without a running game to keep defenses from keying on Romo he has no time to throw and is running for his life on most plays.

Rodgers, Brady, Brees, both Mannings, Ryan, Shaub, etc. all look terrible on those rare occasions when they face the kind pressure Romo faces nearly every game.

As I was watching the Saints game I kept thinking "now Brees knows what Tony goes through every week". Rodgers usually plays better than he did last night because he is very mobile and can make plays on the move but when they are coming straight up the gut at you there is no chance to make a play. Welcome to Tony's world Aaron.

If Jerry Jones knew anything about the GAME of football, instead of just the BUSINESS of football, he would know that the game is won and lost in the trenches. Our new CBs, who I really like, have NOT improved the pass rush nor have they created the turnovers we were all hoping for. Those things happen up front first. We need DLs than can put pressure on the QB up the middle and not allow him to simple step into the pocket to avoid the OLBs.

On offense, it is the O-Line that wins games, not WRs. I like Dez Bryant's talent but he is not winning games for us and our O-Line, or lack thereof, is LOSING games. Our RBs, outside of Murray, need the O-Line to open holes for them. I believe Felix Jones would tear it up if he played behind a quality O-Line, but he is not as physical as Murray and can't break tackles him him.

I hope one of two things happens this offseason (assuming Jerry isn't going to go away like I pray):

1: We go all out to get the best available OLs and DLs (in that order) to fix the major holes on this team.

2: Tony Romo refuses to resign with us and goes to a team with a real O-Line. This guy IS the real deal and could show it more with a real team.

[Aikmaniac]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Rodgers won a Super Bowl with an horrible oline that gave up 38 sacks, 70 QB hits and avg rush 3.8 yds per carry and his QB rating was 102. Again, Romo is a good QB, but he's not in Rodgers league.

Are you leaving out GB's defensive statistics of that year for a reason?

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by THUMPER

The biggest difference I saw between Romo and Rodgers/Brees is that Romo consistently brings this team back once Garrett's playcalling is no longer a factor in the hurry-up.

Here is what you don't get and many others fans here don't understand. Romo is typically in the hurry up at the end of games because he doesn't help his team enough most of the game and they are always playing from behind. Teams play a softer defense in those situations Example: NY and Washington. Romo had 4 turnovers and we were down 23 points right off the bat against NY. After all the pressure was gone and NY was playing a softer defense, Tony "magically" lights it up in the "hurry up offense". In the Washington game, Romo played like total crap and had 2 turnovers (hurting his team) and then when the game looks out of reach in the 3rd quarter and the defense plays soft.. Tony "tears it up".

This team will NEVER go anywhere with Romo as the QB. He is PART of the reason our offense sucks as bad as it does!

[Future]

Originally Posted by Clove

Jim Kelly - Accomplished one of the greatest things in NFL history, but he's forgotten. Went to 4 super bowls in a row. If you don't win or break all NFL records, you'll be forgotten.

Don't compare nobody's to super bowl winners please.

Who has forgotten about Jim Kelly?

[tyke1doe]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

I know many on this board have been highly critical of Tony Romo and Jason Garrett. They have been critical about offensive results and interceptions over the course of this season. I've often thought that the major problem was the OL and have thought so since 2009. Today's games with Rodgers facing the Giants and Brees facing the 49ers shows how great QBs can be pressured into mistakes and not put up points when they don't get adequate protection. Nothing I saw from either of the games today was atypical for almost any Cowboys game this season.

[View Full Quote]No offense is going to accomplish much in the passing or running game if the OL lacks adequate talent. They don't have to be All-Pro although that does help. They do have to give the QB time to go through a couple reads and they do have to give enough time for the defense to have to respect the whole route tree instead of being able to aggressively jump the first move or overplay short routes. If you can't do it opposing DCs will make mincemeat of your gameplan no matter how effective it is.

There's a fundamental flaw in your argument you need to address.

You are correct that no quarterback is going to be very good facing constant pressure.

So here's my question:

If you point to Brees and Rodgers as examples, then how do they accomplish what they do in games when their offensive line isn't great yet they're making plays?

That argument cuts both ways. You may highlight how their offensive lines were overmatched against the 49ers/Giants, but what about those games when their offensive lines were just as overmatched yet they excelled?

I agree with you in some respects, don't get me wrong. But why do fans feel compelled to compare Romo with other quarterbacks as if this puts Romo on their level? It doesn't.

Roethlisberger has played with a patchwork offensive line. Eli has played with an offensive line that hasn't played well. So have Brees and so have Rodgers. Yet despite this, they've still excelled. Now maybe their coaches, teams have been able to adjust and the Cowboys haven't.

But I don't think these arguments help Romo's case, even though posters think they do.