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Old 11-26-2012   #31
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the redskins have a win over new orleans, minnesota, Dallas and Tampa bay.

they are in the drivers seat for the 6 seed.
I doubt common opponent would even be the factor to decide it. division record comes before common opponent when two division teams are tied for the wild card

If the skins lose to the Giants next week, they would likely have a worse division record then us (assuming we split with the skins)

So I guess you could argue the skins control their destiny where we don't. but after next week, that will likely no longer be the case.
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Poor Stephan is left with trying to sell tickets with his optimisms.
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Old 11-26-2012   #33
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If I were the GM jr. then I would prefer to offer a more workmanlike tone.
"This has been a challenging year for the team and the results are not where we would like them to be. I know the Coach Red will have the team ready for next week's challenge and he has the full confidence of the entire FO. We know he will have the player's ready."

That sends a little difference message than having your GM jr. speaking as if he is in the locker room "oh hell yes we are gonna be in the hunt...you bet ya. You all tune in to see us fight hard the rest of the year, we aint yellow, no sir."
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The team isn't French, just some of the fans and all of the media.
It may not be totally French, but it sure has French tendencies.
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Let's look at the facts: Fighting for the final wild card berth, there are three teams above the Cowboys (5-6) in the win column: Tampa Bay, Seattle, and Minnesota. Each one has a 6-5 record.

Next week, Tampa Bay plays at Denver, Seattle plays at Chicago, and Minnesota plays at Green Bay. There's an excellent chance that every one of these teams loses -- just like every one lost last week.

Meanwhile, the Cowboys play at home against a Philadelphia that has thrown in the towel on the season. If they win and the other three teams, there in a tie for the final wildcard spot.

The Cowboys would have just as much a chance of making the playoffs as those other teams.

And that's how Garrett should be judged.
And if we lose against Philly? It's possible ya know. That's the problem we continue to beat ourselves. The opportunities have been there for us.
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I doubt common opponent would even be the factor to decide it. division record comes before common opponent when two division teams are tied for the wild card

If the skins lose to the Giants next week, they would likely have a worse division record then us (assuming we split with the skins)

So I guess you could argue the skins control their destiny where we don't. but after next week, that will likely no longer be the case.
yep your right.

I expect the giants to whip the skins next week and end the race in the east.

That will then really put seattle in a good position because of there schedule to get to 9 wins. I dont think dallas or washington get to 9.
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And if we lose against Philly? It's possible ya know. That's the problem we continue to beat ourselves. The opportunities have been there for us.
Oh, it's more than just possible.
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Seems a tad bit sad that management has now picked up the rally cry for "just get in and see what happens".

Like that is some sort of grand operating plan.

"Lets just get there and then anything can happen" seems like a great fallback plan but a horrible best-case scenario plan, which is where Dallas is at right now.

Far too many hopes and dreams pinned upon the successes of other franchise's (mostly the Giants) abilities to make something happen from a trailing position. Dallas hasn't shown the ability to play a complete game in about 3 months.
Steelers did a pretty fair job with it not too long ago. Cardinals. Seahawks. The Giants, you mentioned. I don't think there's anything sad about it. It's realistic, given how many games we've already lost. There's not the option of going 14-2 and sweeping in to the playoffs with a bye.

Also, I know nobody here wanted to count them as actual victories at the time, but we did just come off a two game winning streak. I'd betcha the Steelers wouldn't mind that narrow win against the lowly Browns at this point.
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well they do and your absolutely right.

If we were any good we could actually get on a roll like we have seen pitt, ny and gb do.

We are not good though! Always a problem when trying to win!
Completely agree. And like you, I struggle with the idea that we're capable of getting on a roll.

Having said that, we when look at the rosters of the Bucs, Seahawks, and other teams vying for the last wildcard spot, are the Cowboys really any less talented, even with all their injuries?

And it's not like the coaching staffs of these teams are anything great. The Bucs have a first year had coach. The Seahawks have Pete Carroll. The Saints have an interim coach. Jason Garrett shouldn't be any worse than of these guys.

What's the deal? Why aren't expectations higher? Stephen Jones is absolutely right: The Cowboys should have just as much a chance as any other 6-5/5-6 team.
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yep your right.

I expect the giants to whip the skins next week and end the race in the east.

That will then really put seattle in a good position because of there schedule to get to 9 wins. I dont think dallas or washington get to 9.
I expect us to win the next two games in a row just so fans can suffer heartbreak all over again.

It wouldn't even shock me to face a win and your in scenario in week 17 just to fall short.

as for Seattle - I can easily see them failing to get to 9. They are currently 0-3 in the division, so division game confidence shouldn't really exist. And they are a bad road team.

An 8-8 wild card birth is not out of the question at all.
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You people complain for nothing.

The Cowboys CAN make the playoffs, they are still in it. He's not wrong at all. Will they? Maybe not, but people in the organisation need to have hope, if they want to make it.


Is he supposed to say "Nah, we will lose every game, why even try?"
Mathematically possible, but realistically they have no business in the playoffs....love Stephens positiveness but even the Jones' no...they are done..... and need to continue building this team into a championship contender...

Cowboys realistically are 1 to 2 years away. I highly dislike Garrett(no character) but no matter how much I dislike him I think he needs to stay another year and test his plans....


There is and will only be ONE TOM LANDRY.......garrett is NO Tom Landry
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Another con artist in the making.

I have watched 11 games of this same type of football. I don’t see any hope in this years team.
What he said..
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Another con artist in the making.

I have watched 11 games of this same type of football. I don’t see any hope in this years team.
The only thing that matters is the coaches and the players believe they can reach the playoffs. The coaches, management and players need to approach it that away until they are mathematically eliminated from the playoff picture any other mindset and the team is doomed more than just this year.

The fact is all you people saying Stephen is delusional etc are flat out acting on an irrational emotional state of mind. You always say it starts at the top and he is doing what the man at top is suppose to do believe it can be done send the message the goal can still be accomplished and we need to set that as are goal.

You stand firm in beilieve even if it is illogical until the math says you are out of the picture any other approach by Stephen or Jerry means the franchise is truly doomed because they have quit before the fight was over because they took a few shots. You guys talk about soft and the only people I see being mental midgets is the fans.

Look I understand having reservations as a fan but until they are eliminated from the playoffs you should have some hope some optimism look at the glass as half full instead you guys are a bunch of Glass half empty people.

I hope they make the playoffs I hope they can go on a run does not mean they will but I be dam if I am going to give up on the season just yet while there is a sliver of hope.

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The only thing that matters is the coaches and the players believe they can reach the playoffs. The coaches, management and players need to approach it that away until they are mathematically eliminated from the playoff picture any other mindset and the team is doomed more than just this year.

The fact is all you people saying Stephen is delusional etc are flat out acting on an irrational emotional state of mind. You always say it starts at the top and he is doing what the man at top is suppose to do believe it can be done send the message the goal can still be accomplished and we need to set that as are goal.

You stand firm in beilieve even if it is illogical until the math says you are out of the picture any other approach by Stephen or Jerry means the franchise is truly doomed because they have quit before the fight was over because they took a few shots. You guys talk about soft and the only people I see being mental midgets is the fans.

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i guess mike shanahan is a mental midget too then?

the man basically said their season is over two weeks ago.

i respect him for his honesty. i respect him more for the actions of his team the past two weeks.

i wish this franchise was more about action, less talk.

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