Pass Blocking Efficiency

[mortboy]

I know some of you don't like PFF's grading system, but here it is. This one grades the tackles for pass blocking efficiency. Big news. Free isn't the worst, very close though.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ng-efficiency/

What are numbers without context? That was the driving force behind our signature stats section and it’s why I’m able to write about things like the Pass Blocking Efficiency.

It’s a simple enough concept. If you judge an offensive linemen just by how many times they get beaten for a sack, then you’re really not judging them at all. You need to take into account how much total pressure they give up, how many snaps they’re in pass protection for, and how quickly the pressure comes.

Now this stat doesn’t take into account how quickly the pressure comes (that’s what our grading is for), but it does the other things so I can, without any doubt, say that this stat beats all the others when it comes to measuring the performance of offensive linemen in pass protection.

The formula is simple enough. You add all sacks with three quarters the worth of hits and hurries, divide by snaps in pass protection, take away from 100 and just like that you’ve got an efficiency formula.

[burmafrd]

PFF is worthless.

Unless they know the exact assignment of every player on each particular play they cannot give a grade that is worth more than a bucket of warm spit.

Not to mention their formulas are a joke anyway

[coogrfan]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

PFF is worthless.

Unless they know the exact assignment of every player on each particular play they cannot give a grade that is worth more than a bucket of warm spit.

Not to mention their formulas are a joke anyway

I actually thought fairly highly of that site...until I read an artlicle they published on OL rankings back on 11/13 that included the following:

22. Dallas Cowboys (25th)
PB = 23rd, RB = 7th and PEN = 30th
They give up too many penalties and too much pressure, but this is a line that can maul in the run game. That’s their strength and they really do a good job of putting running backs in position to make plays. Still 20 combined penalties between your starting tackles is poor.

The notion that the Cowboys OL does "a good job of putting running backs in position to make plays" is so utterly ludicrous that one has to question the validity of anything they publish.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by coogrfan

I actually thought fairly highly of that site...until I read an artlicle they published on OL rankings back on 11/13 that included the following:



The notion that the Cowboys OL does "a good job of putting running backs in position to make plays" is so utterly ludicrous that one has to question the validity of anything they publish.

The remark looks insane now but less so 11/13. We had just beat the eagles by 15 or whatever it is. Even spare felix jones had over 70 yards that game.

The OL rank of 25th is certainly not high. They do a good job of reducing the pure numbers rank by factoring in penalties which certainly have killed us.

I have questions about their ratings largely because they don't consider the opponent in their metrics. Opponent is probably the largest variable.

Getting beat by Demarcus Ware shouldn't ding an OL the same as getting beat by Victor Butler.

[dallasdave]

Originally Posted by mortboy

I know some of you don't like PFF's grading system, but here it is. This one grades the tackles for pass blocking efficiency. Big news. Free isn't the worst, very close though.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ng-efficiency/

What are numbers without context? That was the driving force behind our signature stats section and it’s why I’m able to write about things like the Pass Blocking Efficiency.

It’s a simple enough concept. If you judge an offensive linemen just by how many times they get beaten for a sack, then you’re really not judging them at all. You need to take into account how much total pressure they give up, how many snaps they’re in pass protection for, and how quickly the pressure comes.

[View Full Quote]Now this stat doesn’t take into account how quickly the pressure comes (that’s what our grading is for), but it does the other things so I can, without any doubt, say that this stat beats all the others when it comes to measuring the performance of offensive linemen in pass protection.

The formula is simple enough. You add all sacks with three quarters the worth of hits and hurries, divide by snaps in pass protection, take away from 100 and just like that you’ve got an efficiency formula.

Before computing these figures, take Doug Free out of the equation, then put him back in the equation, then thats look at the difference Free makes in the equation.

[Bluestang]

They probably saw this a few times when they graded out players when they made that comment.

The red arrow was where Murray took the ball, and the yellow arrow is probably where he should have gone with the ball.

This has happened with the running game too, but it isn't the primary problem.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by coogrfan

I actually thought fairly highly of that site...until I read an artlicle they published on OL rankings back on 11/13 that included the following:



The notion that the Cowboys OL does "a good job of putting running backs in position to make plays" is so utterly ludicrous that one has to question the validity of anything they publish.

Correct.

They also put out something a few years ago that said Roy Williams was a more productive WR than Miles Austin, back when Austin actually played well.

They are a completely worthless read.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Correct.

They also put out something a few years ago that said Roy Williams was a more productive WR than Miles Austin, back when Austin actually played well.

They are a completely worthless read.

Like this year- they gave Eli a higher ranking then Romo in the first Giants game.

PFF is worthless as regards ranking

[dallasdave]

Originally Posted by mortboy

I know some of you don't like PFF's grading system, but here it is. This one grades the tackles for pass blocking efficiency. Big news. Free isn't the worst, very close though.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ng-efficiency/

What are numbers without context? That was the driving force behind our signature stats section and it’s why I’m able to write about things like the Pass Blocking Efficiency.

It’s a simple enough concept. If you judge an offensive linemen just by how many times they get beaten for a sack, then you’re really not judging them at all. You need to take into account how much total pressure they give up, how many snaps they’re in pass protection for, and how quickly the pressure comes.

[View Full Quote]Now this stat doesn’t take into account how quickly the pressure comes (that’s what our grading is for), but it does the other things so I can, without any doubt, say that this stat beats all the others when it comes to measuring the performance of offensive linemen in pass protection.

The formula is simple enough. You add all sacks with three quarters the worth of hits and hurries, divide by snaps in pass protection, take away from 100 and just like that you’ve got an efficiency formula.

Give me Free's numbers

[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

a bucket of warm spit.

That's not how I heard it.

[Pandora]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Not to mention their formulas are a joke anyway

Since you seem to know all about their formulas, would you mind sharing them? I'd be very interested to get more insight into PFF's process.

Or are you just another clueless guy with a strong opinion?

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Pandora

Since you seem to know all about their formulas, would you mind sharing them? I'd be very interested to get more insight into PFF's process.

Or are you just another clueless guy with a strong opinion?

Theogt discussed them in a thread a while ago. For someone who is new to this board you are just out of luck. Go search yourself if you want something. You expect everything to be handed too you, right?

[Oh_Canada]

Well I can come up with a few outliers to prove Apple sucks, but that doesn't make it true.

PFF is about the best football site of it's kind anywhere. Is it without it's warts? Yes maybe. However looking at this list, it seems pretty accurate to me.

Free sucks-get rid of him and replace with #10 on the list (who happens to be a FA) and the line will look infintely better.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Well I can come up with a few outliers to prove Apple sucks, but that doesn't make it true.

PFF is about the best football site of it's kind anywhere. Is it without it's warts? Yes maybe. However looking at this list, it seems pretty accurate to me.

Free sucks-get rid of him and replace with #10 on the list (who happens to be a FA) and the line will look infintely better.

of course you love it; that way you can keep claiming our O line is not as bad as everyone else knows it is

The PFF believers got owned in that thread theogt showed the formulas were bad but you were MIA there. Wonder why?

Using garbage data only gives you garbage conclusions. GIGO

[jnday]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

of course you love it; that way you can keep claiming our O line is not as bad as everyone else knows it is

The PFF believers got owned in that thread theogt showed the formulas were bad but you were MIA there. Wonder why?

Using garbage data only gives you garbage conclusions. GIGO

Certain factions like the site when it supports their agenda. Others ignore the site and take it for what it really is, garbage.