Must win, no win situation for Tony - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Gemini Dolly · 12-25-2012

I dont know what it was that it has finally clicked with Tony, but for the past month, he has been playing at an elite level.

He can not have the relapse many expect him to have. Tony has to continue playing smart football, making the clutch throws, eliminating the turnovers and he has a chance to start changing the perception of him.

Rack Bauer · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by perrykemp

It <is> possible for a team with a quarterback playing flawlessly even if the rest of the team sucks -- witness Aaron Rodgers last who managed 15 wins despite no running game and the 2nd worst defense in the entire history of the NFL. Of course, in the two games where Rodgers had average days, they lost.

My point is, you cannot say Romo didn't have some part to play in the 8-7 record the Cowboys now are dealing with. He did. He played fall less than flawlessly in the 1st half of the season.

Their defense sucked, but they at least forced turnovers.

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Originally Posted by Clove

Someone finally gets it. It's been happening for years, this theory didn't just start this year.

Too bad you aren't that person.

Not saying Romo's play is irrelevant, but he's only a small part of the equation. It's the ultimate TEAM sport. The pass rush, run d, coverage, special teams, running game, wr's/te's, AND QB all have to do their part to come away with a win.

perrykemp · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Their defense sucked, but they at least forced turnovers.

You are right. They led the league in forced turnovers. I hadn't considered that point. Good catch.

Still -- that Packer defense was historically putrid.

OriginalNameGuy · 12-25-2012

The Boys could win it all and people would still find a way to say he stinks and isn't an elite QB.

Deep_Freeze · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Not saying Romo's play is irrelevant, but he's only a small part of the equation. It's the ultimate TEAM sport. The pass rush, run d, coverage, special teams, running game, wr's/te's, AND QB all have to do their part to come away with a win.

While I am one to absolutely agree that its a team game and alot of people forget that when assigning blame, we have seen some QBs play at a level that did basically carry their teams.

Sure the others guys have to do their jobs, but that QB made it so much easier for them that he 'put them on his back'.

The only way we have a shot this year at a ring is this type of performance from Romo. As they say, he will have to play perfect football.

Rack Bauer · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by perrykemp

You are right. They led the league in forced turnovers. I hadn't considered that point. Good catch.

Still -- that Packer defense was historically putrid.

No arguments from me, they were terrible. About as terrible as our walking wounded defense is right now. We really need our D to force a couple of turnovers to win the game IMO. They won't be forcing a lot of punts on sunday, but a pick or two would be nice.

Rack Bauer · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

While I am one to absolutely agree that its a team game and alot of people forget that when assigning blame, we have seen some QBs play at a level that did basically carry their teams.

Sure the others guys have to do their jobs, but that QB made it so much easier for them that he 'put them on his back'.

The only way we have a shot this year at a ring is this type of performance from Romo. As they say, he will have to play perfect football.

I agree with that. What I'm saying is, if he DOESN'T play "perfect" and we lose, it won't necessarily be his fault. Our OL is still bad (2 solid games in a row, let's see if they make it 3), our D is completely battered, etc... people can't expect much from this TEAM in it's current state, regardless of who the QB is.

tyke1doe · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by fifaguy

Romo has had a great year, period. Can't ask anything more from him than what he has done.

I agree. I think he has matured. I don't know if this erases the "choker" label if he doesn't win. But I think he's come a long way, and that's pretty evident from my perspective.

tyke1doe · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Arkyvarminter

Tony Romo will be labeled a "choker" by the media and fans alike until he wins a SB. There are two types of people who label Romo a choker, the media and people who don't know football. He is the QB for America's team and being scrutinized, labeled, and even hated goes with the territory. IF I could play any position in the NFL for any team, QB for the Cowboys would be my last choice. Tons of pressure and the spotlight is alway shining bright on Romo. He HAS to win a SB to quiet the critics and that is really not fair since he has done really well in the NFL and is highly regarded by those who aren't biased for one reason or another. Winning another playoff game won't change their mind....

I think we need to retire this phrase. Some of the people labeling Romo a choker are NFL players and former NFL players. Do they not know football?

Obviously, they do.

I think they know the intangible aspects of football, and that's probably what they're looking at when they say that about Romo.

However, intangibles are just that. It's a quality you can't put your finger on. It's not solid.

If a player has that view about Romo, I'm not going to say he's wrong. But I don't necessarily have to buy it either because it is an intangible. It's kind of like a gut feeling. Your gut feeling isn't necessarily my evidence.

DandyDon1722 · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by tyke1doe

I agree. I think he has matured. I don't know if this erases the "choker" label if he doesn't win. But I think he's come a long way, and that's pretty evident from my perspective.

I know you've been one of his harshest critics but from now on I will always respect your comments on him good or bad knowing you're fair. I think there are some fans however who just do not like him regardless of his play and would never write a post like that which I will never understand.

Thanks for that.

Dave_in-NC · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by cowboyfan4life2

Great qbs put their team on their back when it matters most, if tony wants to be elite, he needs these next two games.

Bull. Romo has played with no supporting cast in FRONT of him. He has a supporting cast in skilled positions but nothing of a O line or running game till now.

People want to point at one guy, football is a team sport on both sides of the ball. Most QBs in the game would be huge failures on this team right now.

They are where they are BECAUSE of Romo, not inspite of him.

MissouriCowboy · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by dfense

In all reality, Romo's play of late, has probably gotten the team farther than they should have gotten with all the injuries they have had on defense.

Going forward, even if Tony throws 4 TDs and they get past the Skins, Romo is going to have to win at least one playoff game to shake a little of the "choker" label so many have saddled him with.

Could you imagine having to play a Seattle team coming off a three game run averaging 45 points? Without five defensive starters and possibly Ware out also?

Romo essencially has to win the next two games by himself just to get the monkey off his back. It's really too bad that injuries have unfortunitely robbed Romo of his time to shine. He can't catch a break.

Haters gonna hate.

cowboyfan4life2 · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by OriginalNameGuy

The Boys could win it all and people would still find a way to say he stinks and isn't an elite QB.

Not at all, we would build a statue of the guy if that happened. He has one playoff win, I like the guy a lot, but if he wants to be considered elite, he needs to win some more playoff games.

Rack Bauer · 12-25-2012

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Originally Posted by cowboyfan4life2

Not at all, we would build a statue of the guy if that happened. He has one playoff win, I like the guy a lot, but if he wants to be considered elite, he needs to win some more playoff games.

"He"?

What about the rest of the team?

Deep_Freeze · 12-26-2012

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Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

I agree with that. What I'm saying is, if he DOESN'T play "perfect" and we lose, it won't necessarily be his fault. Our OL is still bad (2 solid games in a row, let's see if they make it 3), our D is completely battered, etc... people can't expect much from this TEAM in it's current state, regardless of who the QB is.

Yeah noone expects anyone to be perfect, which makes this road hard for Romo. I'm not one that will blame anyone, we win as a team and we lose as a team. But the perception is what we are talking about here, and Romo does have a chance to change that perception on a national level.

I'm a huge Tony Romo fan, always will be, and not ashamed to say it. He was an UDFA and now he is in the top 5 QBs in career QB rating, and the second fastest to 25,000 yards......ever. I do hope others see what I see in him, as he really shouldn't even be expected to carry this team as an UDFA QB should be a bus driver cause you didn't have to spend any resources on him, but unfortunately thats the hand Romo is dealt.

All I want from Tony, and this team, is to never say die. Thats something they are showing, and hopefully they show on Sunday.