This was a successful season - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Venger · 12-31-2012

I agree with yours sentiments OP, but not your conclusion. Success is not .500 ball, not in the NFL.

Clove · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyzmamacita

Most people picked the Cowboys to go 8-8. Well, they're 8-8. Why is everyone so pissed?

I also picked the wrong lottery numbers, all the time. I still get pissed when I don't win.

The bottom line is, the object of this game is to get better. We're not better, we're the same. The same sorry losing franchise that gets battered by people in the end. We have no guts, no ***ls, no brains.

We have a nobody Head Coach, a nobody GM, a nobody undrafted QB, a nobody undrafted receiver in Austin, a loud mouth grizzly adams Defensive Coordinator, a lousy Special Teams coach, and a bunch of fans who think we're a couple of players away.

This franchise is lost.

MartinRamone · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie

If we didn't lose Lee and Carter, we'd be undefeated.

Sadly thats what Jerry will sell to the fans to keep us in the same position for over 10 years.

Mediocre 8-8, not good to compete for Superbowl and not bad enough to demand drastic changes.

Bleu Star · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveRings

Hello friends. Please don't bludgeon me without reading this post in it's entirety. Firstly, the big issue here is the injuries. We got absolutely bombarded on both sides of the ball, to go from that to playing for a division title is a positive to me.

So injuries you say? This was a bad season for injuries? May I jog our memory of the 2010 season? Yep. Both injury ridden season. The one variable? Romo. He saved our season this year, and once again, got screwed over by everyone around him in the final game. Add Romo to the injury tally like he was in 2010 and I promise you Kyle Orton,Steven McGee or no street free agent would have given you a better season.

This was a good season to gauge the teams direction. Romo choked again, we completed the trifecta, yes and yes, but, you can't deny that we saw a different team this year. We saw a team with fight, heart and a will to win. Something that was looked over since the Triplets in Dallas.

[View Full Quote]

All the heart and fight in the world is easily negated and deflated by untimely choke jobs. We have all read this very book many times over the last several years. Pardon me if I choose to disagree, but 8-8 is not success in my book. Small victories are great if they add up to something. These aren't adding up.

Mansta54 · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch

It's called losing half you defense.

You're wasting your breath Fletch, some fans don't get it and don't wanna get it. I doubt we give up over 200yrds rushing with Lee, Carter, and Ratliff on the field. Injuries played a HUGE part in the outcome of our season. It's not a excuse, it's a FACT..

CATCH17 · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch

It's called losing half you defense.

Oh I'm sorry. I forgot everything had to be perfect for us to have a good season.

stasheroo · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mansta54

You're wasting your breath Fletch, some fans don't get it and don't wanna get it. I doubt we give up over 200yrds rushing with Lee, Carter, and Ratliff on the field. Injuries played a HUGE part in the outcome of our season. It's not a excuse, it's a FACT..

Nice quote - "don't get it", very appropriate here.

This team won the same mediocre number of games after the 'decimating injuries' kicked in as they did before.

They were a mediocre 3-3 when they lost Sean Lee and the other injuries kicked in afterward, and ended up the very same mediocre 8-8 to end the season.

Injuries aren't an excuse for another year of mediocrity. They were mediocre well before that.

They are what their 8-8 record says they are an average, non-contending football team.

That's the biggest 'fact' listed in all of this.

Bleu Star · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch

It's called losing half you defense.

Actually.. It's called welcome to a grueling NFL season where successful teams prepare for contingency while unsuccessful teams pin all of their hopes in the top tier of depth. They make depth charts for good reason..

ChldsPlay · 12-31-2012

I don't get this whole different team thing based on the team fighting. Outside of 2 or 3 games in 2010, effort and fight haven't been an issue for quite sometime IMO.

jnday · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mansta54

You're wasting your breath Fletch, some fans don't get it and don't wanna get it. I doubt we give up over 200yrds rushing with Lee, Carter, and Ratliff on the field. Injuries played a HUGE part in the outcome of our season. It's not a excuse, it's a FACT..

IIRC Dallas was not doing so well when the defense was healthy. They were 3-5.

da_whiz_kid · 12-31-2012

Quite frankly, when Romo has a bad game, nobody and I mean nobody, steps up to make plays. Not being apologetic but I do realize that there is absolutely nothing there to bail us out if he has a bad game. The run game is not there(although) I do think this has to do with how often we give up on it, people not getting their blocks, absolutely no pass rush, and although the corners are good, they will get regularly beaten if there is no pressure on the cornerback. You would think with the lack of pass rush to compensate for broken coverage the safeties would step up and cover of make a play on a ball, but no. If we really have to live and die by the play of our QB, then we don't belong in the playoffs, and it is obviously a team problem that we have. Other teams could have bad QB play but have a defense to bail them out, or at least some sort of pass rush, or even a stellar run game. There are 52 players on the field game day and we should not have to live and die by 1 player.

Clove · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by da_whiz_kid

Quite frankly, when Romo has a bad game, nobody and I mean nobody, steps up to make plays. Not being apologetic but I do realize that there is absolutely nothing there to bail us out if he has a bad game. The run game is not there(although) I do think this has to do with how often we give up on it, people not getting their blocks, absolutely no pass rush, and although the corners are good, they will get regularly beaten if there is no pressure on the cornerback. You would think with the lack of pass rush to compensate for broken coverage the safeties would step up and cover of make a play on a ball, but no. If we really have to live and die by the play of our QB, then we don't belong in the playoffs, and it is obviously a team problem that we have. Other teams could have bad QB play but have a defense to bail them out, or at least some sort of pass rush, or even a stellar run game. There are 52 players on the field game day and we should not have to live and die by 1 player.

What are you talking about? Did you not see the defense give us opportunity after opportunity in the first half when the OFFENSE COULD NOT DO SQUAT? Did you not see Dwayne Harris yesterday. That offensive line was amazing, even though they did send more than we had to block.

Collectively, our sense of reality is starting to sink like the Titanic.

HowAboutThemCowboys · 12-31-2012

Ah yes, another one has fallen into Jerry's trap. Complacent fans are a gold mine in Jerry's world.

MartinRamone · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowAboutThemCowboys

Ah yes, another one has fallen into Jerry's trap. Complacent fans are a gold mine in Jerry's world.

Yeah, Jerry has done such a good job that now 8-8 seems to be good for some people. Lets fill the stadium next year, Superbowl coming!

da_whiz_kid · 12-31-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clove

What are you talking about? Did you not see the defense give us opportunity after opportunity in the first half when the OFFENSE COULD NOT DO SQUAT? Did you not see Dwayne Harris yesterday. That offensive line was amazing, even though they did send more than we had to block.

Collectively, our sense of reality is starting to sink like the Titanic.

And this is week 17. This isn't a new thing, this has been happening all year. I'm sorry if we cannot create turnovers, I'm sorry if we cannot pass block for the life of us. With all that being said, if we run these old style offenses with long developing plays, we should probably have an offensive line to block. So there is some time given to make the plays. This is the exact same stuff we talked about last season. Bad offensive line, bad safety play, no pass rush. Also, there is something to be said for allowing 200 yds of rushing offense to one player. 8-8, 9-7, we wouldn't have gone anywhere in the playoffs, as was evident when more and more players start to drop in the game, we wouldn't have survived. Also, I'm tried of these week 17 win and in games, this team is gonna have to do more early in the season if they want to even consider a run at the super bowl.

I'm not making an excuse, hells naw! lol

But I do realize until we build the trenches, which we have not done yet, any qb put behind that line will pretty much fail us in some way, some how, and at the most crucial time, because teams will adjust to that and exploit it constantly. I'm sorry if I want to hold out until then, but that's just how I feel. These are the same problems that we've had for years now, and not once, other than Tyron Smith, have we addressed that seriously. This is a team problem. With that being said, Romo was given a chance, he messed up, nobody is disputing that fact, but to not recognize that the problem is more than the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, is a little crazy.

Lets just, me and you, agree to disagree here, I'm not one for debating on message boards because it can really consume my time. But don't worry I hear you, I understand your sentiments, but the reality of the situation is somewhere between what you perceived this year and what I perceived this year is where the problem lies.