First Take: Garrett/Norv

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I watched about 2 minutes of him speaking and then turned it off. He's a moron who doesn't even follow the Cowboys but has this huge opinion about them. All I needed to hear was that Garrett's ego is too big to let an OC come here. I can only take so much stupidity. If he were HC for 5 years and things were the way they are now, I'd say there's some legitimacy.

I don't know if Garrett's ego is to big or not, doesn't matter.
If bringing an experienced OC will help why would any one have an issue with it.

Garrett might turn out to be a great coach, what's wrong with having an experienced coach get him to that level?

Wade was always a lousy HC but he's a hell of a DC.
Couldn't the same be said for Turner?

[Bleu Star]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I see no harm in bringing an OC here. I would prefer it because I think JG is more of a HC/GM. But, I am willing to give it two more years before I have an opinion on who should leave and who should give up certain duties. We aren't an 8-8 team this year if we don't have all of these injuries. That's the bottom line.

I still consider the injury angle a crutch. Every single team laces their collective cleats before and during the season in generally the same fashion. Why don't we have the quality depth to push through contingency? Other teams actually do every year.

[Mansta54]

Actually, I would love to bring Norv in as OC, I think he's the best playcaller in the business. I just don't need to hear Steven A. Smith babbling about it. I have my own thoughts and opinions about the team and his I can do without. Norv would be great here and you can bet that Dez wouldn't vanish throughout the game. He would damn sure get him the rock.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I see no harm in bringing an OC here. I would prefer it because I think JG is more of a HC/GM. But, I am willing to give it two more years before I have an opinion on who should leave and who should give up certain duties. We aren't an 8-8 team this year if we don't have all of these injuries. That's the bottom line.

In two years we probably won't have a QB worth a damn.
Why wait two years? You start out saying you think JG is more of a HC/GM and I agree.
So with that in mind again, why wait two more years?

[Bleu Star]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

I don't know if Garrett's ego is to big or not, doesn't matter.
If bringing an experienced OC will help why would any one have an issue with it.

Garrett might turn out to be a great coach, what's wrong with having an experienced coach get him to that level?

Wade was always a lousy HC but he's a hell of a DC.
Couldn't the same be said for Turner?

Right. Exactly. That's why it would be crazy to not explore the Norv angle. Imagine what he might be able to do with Romo. Romo's world is the size of a thimble right now and the addition of some solid experienced tutelege with a track record for developing QBs could be a huge benefit to helping stem the tide.

[Bleu Star]

Originally Posted by Mansta54

Actually, I would love to bring Norv in as OC, I think he's the best playcaller in the business. I just don't need to hear Steven A. Smith babbling about it. I have my own thoughts and opinions about the team and his I can do without. Norv would be great here and you can bet that Dez wouldn't vanish throughout the game. He would damn sure get him the rock.

Glad we agree on that. Sorry to have poisoned your ears with Stephen A.

The Garrett angle was the one that intrigued me the most..

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Mansta54

Actually, I would love to bring Norv in as OC, I think he's the best playcaller in the business. I just don't need to hear Steven A. Smith babbling about it. I have my own thoughts and opinions about the team and his I can do without. Norv would be great here and you can bet that Dez wouldn't vanish throughout the game. He would damn sure get him the rock.

So would you do it now or two years from now just to wait and see if Garrett eventually can do it?

[The Natural]

Originally Posted by Bleu Star

I still consider the injury angle a crutch. Every single team laces their collective cleats before and during the season in generally the same fashion. Why don't we have the quality depth to push through contingency? Other team actually do every year.

Aaron Rodgers and the Packers won a superbowl with 15 players on IR and this team and headcoach can't make enough adjustments/stay out of their own way enough to win 1 game to get in the tournament. And we're supposed to believe if everyone was healthy it would be a different story Some people still dont get it

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Oh here we go with the same questions that have been answer literally a hundred times but you guys just can't comprehend it. You hear only what you want to hear and what fits into your agenda.

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

You need to learn what a fact is. This is what is so funny about you guys. You're either trolling and looking for responses or you're acting arrogant enough to think you have everything that goes on within the organization down and understand it all. It's actually sad. I mean if I didn't know any better I'd think all of you were employed by the Cowboys. You certainly act like it.

What fans get is year after year of mediocrity. One has to be nowhere near the VR Country Club to see the results and what transpires during the games from the HC.

Even Jimmy said Red should get a play caller - but then again he hasnt been inside the confines of the VR Country Club for years so he doesnt have an opinion worth listening to if we go with your logic.

[jnday]

I watched the First Take conversation this morning and I agree with Smith. Garrett should be happy to have a job. He should take his paycheck and shut up. He's lucky to have a job. It does create a situation that would make for an uncormfortable position that Norv or any other OC would find themselves in. Garrett needs an OC at this point of his career. He is too arrogant to see it.

[Mansta54]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

So would you do it now or two years from now just to wait and see if Garrett eventually can do it?

Right now, for sure. He and JG are familiar with each other. No reason not to.

[Chocolate Lab]

Norv is a proven great OC and far better than Garrett, but why would Norv come here and work for JG when he'll have several opportunities to go elsewhere and basically run the offense himself?

As stated many times before, Norv didn't like that Jerry wanted Garrett to call plays in 2007 when he interviewed for the job here. And quite rightly.

[Bleu Star]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

So would you do it now or two years from now just to wait and see if Garrett eventually can do it?

I would do it now while Romo still has a fighting chance to turn things around. It's the "shortest path first" theory. The other path consists of developing a new QB which we all know takes some time. Contrary to popular belief, QBs like Luck, RG3, Wilson, & Newton are not a dime a dozen. Colleges are better preparing players to minimize the jump to the next level but it's still a jump.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

I don't know if Garrett's ego is to big or not, doesn't matter.
If bringing an experienced OC will help why would any one have an issue with it.

Garrett might turn out to be a great coach, what's wrong with having an experienced coach get him to that level?

Wade was always a lousy HC but he's a hell of a DC.
Couldn't the same be said for Turner?

Yes, the same could be said for Turner. I think JG deserves more time. I know we've gone back and forth before over this but I think we've come to a place where we respect each others opinion which I appreciate. I think you know that I think he deserves more time though. When life throws curveballs at you you don't go get mommy to help. You adapt and get better at it. I don't think he's been given a fair shot to adjust and get better. Being a head coach in the NFL can't be an easy gig.

Would I like to see an OC here, yes. Do I think he can do it on his own? Maybe. I'm willing to give it a little more time to see. I'm not in some giant rush.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

I see no harm in bringing an OC here. I would prefer it because I think JG is more of a HC/GM. But, I am willing to give it two more years before I have an opinion on who should leave and who should give up certain duties. We aren't an 8-8 team this year if we don't have all of these injuries. That's the bottom line.

Better than 8-8?

Seriously?

We were 3-5 before the team turned it on with all the guys off the street playing D.

U'r drinking the injury Kool-Aid?

One could prob make the argument that the guys off the street excelled becasue they ahdnt been around the VRCC for very long. Why did they play better?