Garrett Has Had Full Autonomy Over the Offense For 6 Years

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by CowboyRoy

LOL................sure he didnt create this Oline debacle. The first year that he is here, he cuts all the veteran lineman and puts undrafted FA's and 7th round picks in their place. LOL

Because those aging stiffs couldn't play anymore. That flush needed to be done. Unfortunately, there was no one in the pipeline to take over.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Yeah, that's one incident where he had some say. Did he make the determination to pick one of those two players? Did he make the call to stay there and use the pick and not accept a trade?

Did he sign off on Mike Jenkins because there weren't any OL he wanted there? Was he responsible for James Marten? Robert Brewster? Were those his ideas?

Does anybody but a frustrated Dallas fan believe this is even remotely logical?

Who's running the Giants war room? Kevin Gilbride?

I dont know about all of that. All I know is that Jerry said this.

The facts are that Jason, for the last five years, has been very influential with how we drafted and how we picked up offensive football players. Very influential for five years. Because Wade was a real delegator. So he had a lot of input in where we are.

Everything points to him having a lot of say about the weapons he has had.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

I dont know about all of that. All I know is that Jerry said this.




Everything points to him having a lot of say about the weapons he has had.

I don't doubt he's had input. But that's a far cry from full autonomy and if you're honest about who is to blame for the current state of the OL, Garrett's name has to come after Jerry, Stephen, Parcells and Wade.

Now the longer he stays here the more responsible he'll be but I can't blame a head coach of 2 years for bad decisions of 10.

[AmericasTeam31]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I don't doubt he's had input. But that's a far cry from full autonomy and if you're honest about who is to blame for the current state of the OL, Garrett's name has to come after Jerry, Stephen, Parcells and Wade.

Now the longer he stays here the more responsible he'll be but I can't blame a head coach of 2 years for bad decisions of 10.

Ok, so let's suppose we "can't blame him for the crap O-line he inherited" AFTER he cut the aging stiffs. Can we at least blame him for the declining offensive performances? The inability to find a way to change the game plan to expose a defenses weaknesses? The inability to beat a team that is blitzing the A Gap on 60+% of your snaps? Or the inability to play to his players strengths?

Does any of that blame fall on him?

[EPL0c0]

Why is Tony Romo still having to tell guys where to line up?

[Trajan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Now the longer he stays here the more responsible he'll be but I can't blame a head coach of 2 years for bad decisions of 10.

I can, he was a critical part of the poor decision making leadership for 6 of those 10 years. He doesn't take all the blame, but either he is a non-entity and lacks the gravitas to be a leader and coach, or he was part of the poor calls, either way he hasn't produced results.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by AmericasTeam31

Ok, so let's suppose we "can't blame him for the crap O-line he inherited" AFTER he cut the aging stiffs. Can we at least blame him for the declining offensive performances? The inability to find a way to change the game plan to expose a defenses weaknesses? The inability to beat a team that is blitzing the A Gap on 60+% of your snaps? Or the inability to play to his players strengths?

Does any of that blame fall on him?

apparently not

garrett is made of teflon

[Dodger12]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Nobody's giving him a pass. He's just not at the top of the blame list for an OL that has been mismanaged and neglected for years before he became the head coach.

Never in the history of the league has an offensive coordinator made draft picks or FA decisions. You guys need to brush up on titles and what they mean within an organization if you believe otherwise. Doesn't mean he can't have input in certain situations, but he sure isn't the decision maker.

Our draft classes of 2003-2010 should have formed the core of our current OL. But when we weren't making bad picks there we were neglecting the positions altogether. That has more to do with what's going on now than anything Jason Garrett has been a part of the last two years.

I don't necessarily put the onus on what a coach did or didn't do 7, 8 or 9 years ago and balme him for this team's current faults. While BP missed on OL in the draft, he revamped the OL by bringing in Kosier and Colombo, allowing the latter to rehab and it paid off, as well as basically resurrecting the careers of Adam and Gurode who had pro-bowl seasons under BP. So I don't know how you can blame a guy who accomplished what JG/JJ couldn't.

There was a lot of talk about the RKG and JG wanted to get rid of the dead wood, much of it on the line. Are you saying that JG was not part of the evaluation process for guys like Free? Or Costa? Or any of the current chumps for that matter? Wasn't he an advocate for dumping Holland or Davis? How about Adams? There's a lot of blame to go around with the current regime in place, including Garrett.

Now if you're telling me that JG went into Jones and told him that Free, Costa, Livings, Bernadeau, Arkin, Dockery and Cook were inadequate to win with but Jerry still brought them in, then you may have a point. But JG's his brother had a hand in evaluating the likes of Livings, Bernadeau, Dockery and Cook, at the very least. That's putrid.

[CowboyRoy]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Yeah, that's one incident where he had some say. Did he make the determination to pick one of those two players? Did he make the call to stay there and use the pick and not accept a trade?

Did he sign off on Mike Jenkins because there weren't any OL he wanted there? Was he responsible for James Marten? Robert Brewster? Were those his ideas?

Does anybody but a frustrated Dallas fan believe this is even remotely logical?

Who's running the Giants war room? Kevin Gilbride?

My take is that Jerry, stephen, and the scouting department are the most responsible for who we draft. But we saw that at least in that instance, he specifically requested him.

But there is no doubt in my mind that Garrett gets asked his opinions on players. And I have no doubt that Garrett is highly responsible for evaluating his current personel and relaying to jones who he feels needs to be replaced, and what exactly he needs to to improve the team. What the priorities are personel wise for his scheme and to improve the team.

He also has full control of those players once they come in, thier developement, thier use, and who gets cut and who stays. And I have no doubts, as Jones has indicated, that Garrett signs off on every FA that is brought in here. So he must have had a hand in evaluating them.

[Bowdown27]

I like Jason and wanted him as coach but its just not working. 6 years with tony and feel he hasn't taken him to the next level. He's he's made mistakes but this oline Is awful and it's time for change. Just like big Jerry said

[CowboyRoy]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Because those aging stiffs couldn't play anymore. That flush needed to be done. Unfortunately, there was no one in the pipeline to take over.

No one in the pipelin I agree. Garrett made the decision well into TC to get rid of a couple of the older guys like Gurode. If there is nothing but undrafted FA's in on the shelf to replace the veterans, they no way to you get rid of them all.

It was clear to me, that Garrett made the evaluation that these young kids could handle the job well enough or better than the veterans and therefore let them go. Or he just took a flying and said screw it. Either way, he basically threw the towel in on the entire season with that one decisions. In fact, other than Costa, most of those guys didnt even make the team this year.

[CowboyRoy]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I don't doubt he's had input. But that's a far cry from full autonomy and if you're honest about who is to blame for the current state of the OL, Garrett's name has to come after Jerry, Stephen, Parcells and Wade.

Now the longer he stays here the more responsible he'll be but I can't blame a head coach of 2 years for bad decisions of 10.

You have conveniently thought up a way to relieve Garrett for blame of anything what so ever. He doesnt pick the players so therefore he isnt responsible for anything they do.

Wade went 13-3, 9-7, and 11-7 before the team went bad. The coached up who he had and made it work. Garrett isnt doing that by any stretch. The Talent that has been brought in under Garrett by Jones is far and away better than anything brought in for Wade.

[CowboyRoy]

Originally Posted by Bowdown27

I like Jason and wanted him as coach but its just not working. 6 years with tony and feel he hasn't taken him to the next level. He's he's made mistakes but this oline Is awful and it's time for change. Just like big Jerry said

There was absolutely nothing that Garrett did as OC that would make anyone think he could be a head coach. He was NOT a good OC.

That being said, from what I have seen, the people that were applauding the Garrett hire were simply those fans that wanted Wade gone and were happy to see anyone take his place. Those people are now finally realizing the error in that line of thinking. Sadly enough, Wade was a better coach than Garrett. That is not even debatable at this point. Its pure fact.

Jones went out and got another puppet. One that has never been a head football coach at any level, not even high school. One that did NOTHING to warrant even being hired as an OC. One that was not even a good OC while he had the job here. It was another case of Jerry trying to look like a genius by hiring someone that he thought might be the next Landry for the Cowboys. Like always, Jerry falls in love with a new idealogy and instead of properly implementing it, gets impatient and fails to realize what it actually takes to do it properly.

[ninja]

Watching the Garrett-loving sympathizers in this thread trying to defend their "Boy Genius Supercomputer" is almost as bad as watching Garrett coach and call plays. Almost.

Quick question. I'm sure we all know the answer off the top of our heads.

Which NFL team cannot execute a simple screen pass, a staple in 31 other offenses?

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Nobody's giving him a pass. He's just not at the top of the blame list for an OL that has been mismanaged and neglected for years before he became the head coach.

Never in the history of the league has an offensive coordinator made draft picks or FA decisions. You guys need to brush up on titles and what they mean within an organization if you believe otherwise. Doesn't mean he can't have input in certain situations, but he sure isn't the decision maker.

Our draft classes of 2003-2010 should have formed the core of our current OL. But when we weren't making bad picks there we were neglecting the positions altogether. That has more to do with what's going on now than anything Jason Garrett has been a part of the last two years.

Stop blindly trying to argue based off generic titles (by the way, you're ignoring the most important title Garrett held, ASSISTANT HEAD COACH).

No job title here can be compared to a job title with any other team. The average offensive coordinator for the Jaguars or Chiefs cannot be compared to the role Garrett played here as handpicked OC/Assistant HC by Jerry Jones. He was brought in BEFORE THE HEAD COACH to control the offense and eventually take over as head coach. He was brought in with his BROTHER AS DIRECTOR OF PRO PERSONNEL.

Almost no other Offensive Coordinator in the history of the league has walked into that kind of silver spoon situation so please cut the "but...but... he was just offensive coordinator!" crap. That isn't flying here.