All Jerry hate...

[CyberB0b]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I have never said you can't blame Jerry.

Not once.

I've basically said you guys romanticize the GM title looking for scapegoats.

How is he a scapegoat when he is the man at the top? He makes the final decision. Period.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Hostile

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In case no one noticed, Mike Fisher in his interview with Jason Garrett commented on how deeply involved in personnel decisions Garrett is.
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So then Garrett is directly responsible for this OL disaster?
Can't have it both ways


See, this is the true beauty of this "group decision making"farce
Everyone is involved so everyone is responsible

Therefore, no one is responsible because "we were all involved"

Near perfect excuse

Well done

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by Hostile

So you beleive Jerry analyzes football talent?

I guess that makes you right about that statement. Glad you saved your dough.

There are a goodly number of people who do the analyzing of football talent. The team has a board meeting and each presents their case.

Jerry makes the final decision.

That has been said so many times by people in the organization, people who have been in the organization including Switzer, and people in the Landry organization, specifically Gill Brandt.

So J.J. Watt is an example. There was someone telling the GM this is the guy they need to draft. But someone else was more persuasive about the offensive line.

Now I have no issue with Tyron. But in the big scheme of things, and considering the offensive line play, and a big dose of after the fact, the team may have been better off taking Watt.

But the person who did the scouting put a bug in Jerry's ear and HE made the decision on Smith .

No one has ever disputed Jerry listens to all, then he makes the call.

Except a few that want to argue in favor of the now fifteen years of mediocrity since the *influence* of Jimmy Johnson and his talent eye left Valley Ranch.

* influence, meaning players Jimmy and his staff selected.

[Trajan]

Originally Posted by visionary

So then Garrett is directly responsible for this OL disaster?
Can't have it both ways


See, this is the true beauty of this "group decision making"farce
Everyone is involved so everyone is responsible

Therefore, no one is responsible because "we were all involved"

Near perfect excuse

Well done

Beautiful system isn't it ?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by visionary

So then Garrett is directly responsible for this OL disaster?
Can't have it both ways


See, this is the true beauty of this "group decision making"farce
Everyone is involved so everyone is responsible

Therefore, no one is responsible because "we were all involved"

Near perfect excuse

Well done

I put more of it on him, yes. I never shrink from the truth. I have told you guys for years I want him to have the credit and the blame and I will give Jerry none of the credit when we start winning and we will. The OL is the last piece of the puzzle and only the purposely blind deny that.

[Hostile]

There's a video I saw recently that blows you guys theories away. Hell, what does that matter? Did Rob Ryan praise Jerry for the talent he acquired to fill in for injuries.

Purposely obtuse is your "reality." Enjoy it.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Zordon

That is true but do all owners enact on that power? not the smart ones.

Of course they do. Dude, Jeffrey Lurie didn't give the okay to sign Mike Vick until his wife was okay with it.

Why do you believe a stupid fairy tale that these guys invest hundreds of millions of dollars to have no say? That's stupid.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by CyberB0b

How is he a scapegoat when he is the man at the top? He makes the final decision. Period.

Yeah, you focus on the word scapegoat instead of what I said about the title. You can't talk around me. So don't try.

[Doomsay]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Yep, which doesn't even matter. In case no one noticed, it was Tom Ciskowski, not Jerry Jones, that Rob Ryan credited multiple times this year for getting him pieces to fill in on Defense.

In case no one noticed, Mike Fisher in his interview with Jason Garrett commented on how deeply involved in personnel decisions Garrett is.

In case no one noticed, in Babe Laufenberg's report from Training Camp (which I had not seen until recently), it was Tom Ciskowski who broke down his responsibilities and basically proved he is the person who does what most want from a GM.

In case no one noticed, Tex Schramm, the best GM in the History of the NFL, did not do the things people want of a GM here in Dallas. That was Gil Brandt and Tom Landry. Tex was the businessman, the media mogul, etc.

In case no one noticed Bob Ackles, Larry Lacewell, and Jeff Ireland all did the same job before Ciskowski.

[View Full Quote]That title is a fan witch hunt. Jerry is not the personnel guy. Never has been. It has always been his coaches and scouts led by one man, currently Ciskowski.

Being hung up on the title is a way to feel great about nothing.

I agree, I don't think anyone noticed.

[CowboyStar88]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Of course they do. Dude, Jeffrey Lurie didn't give the okay to sign Mike Vick until his wife was okay with it.

Why do you believe a stupid fairy tale that these guys invest hundreds of millions of dollars to have no say? That's stupid.

Most people don't live in the real world of business. You don't invest hundreds of millions and not have any say in what's being put on the field. I can't believe some people are that dumb or live in a fantasy world where they think someone who spends hundereds of millions to just let someone else manage it. Makes no sense and completely out of touch with reality. I can't believe anyone actually believes that the GM if any sports team has full control and that the owner doesn't step in with final decisions. I know if I spent that kind of money I would want final say and a damn good reason why I am writing the check to get that guy.

[dadymat]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

There are a goodly number of people who do the analyzing of football talent. The team has a board meeting and each presents their case.

Jerry makes the final decision.

That has been said so many times by people in the organization, people who have been in the organization including Switzer, and people in the Landry organization, specifically Gill Brandt.

So J.J. Watt is an example. There was someone telling the GM this is the guy they need to draft. But someone else was more persuasive about the offensive line.

Now I have no issue with Tyron. But in the big scheme of things, and considering the offensive line play, and a big dose of after the fact, the team may have been better off taking Watt.

But the person who did the scouting put a bug in Jerry's ear and HE made the decision on Smith .

No one has ever disputed Jerry listens to all, then he makes the call.

[View Full Quote]Except a few that want to argue in favor of the now fifteen years of mediocrity since the *influence* of Jimmy Johnson and his talent eye left Valley Ranch.

* influence, meaning players Jimmy and his staff selected.

in the same dimension, his scouts and Coaches were against Aikman, Emmitt and Ware..glad Jerry had final say, arent you?.....and probably others...its organizational decisions.....

do you really think Belichick signed Moss without Krafts approval..?....or Coughlin didnt run signing Mart B by Mara?.....or that maybe Elway discussed manning with Bowlin prior to signing him?.......

[Doomsay]

Originally Posted by visionary

So then Garrett is directly responsible for this OL disaster?
Can't have it both ways


See, this is the true beauty of this "group decision making"farce
Everyone is involved so everyone is responsible

Therefore, no one is responsible because "we were all involved"

Near perfect excuse

Well done

That's akin to the "play calling not being the problem, " it's the lack of execution by the players (who were picked by the play caller).

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by dadymat

in the same dimension, his scouts and Coaches were against Aikman, Emmitt and Ware..glad Jerry had final say, arent you?.....and probably others...its organizational decisions.....

do you really think Belichick signed Moss without Krafts approval..?....or Coughlin didnt run signing Mart B by Mara?.....or that maybe Elway discussed manning with Bowlin prior to signing him?.......

Well, I have no idea where you got your information about Aikman and Emmitt.

But it is a known fact Jimmy was the player personnel man back in the day. He did bring in Walsh because of familiarity, but put that idea aside. And if you have ever heard him speak about the Emmitt issue, then you would know he was down right shocked that Emmitt was falling in the draft. So much so he moved up to get him. His intent was a linebacker that went to the Bengals, but pulled the trigger on Emmitt.

Jerry had the best seat in the house when Jimmy built the Super Bowl teams.

Ware is another issue, and I do give Jerry credit for rubber stamping that pick.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by Hostile

The OL is the last piece of the puzzle and only the purposely blind deny that.

Well I am not blind and I think this team needs a nose tackle and a defensive end and an outside linebacker, as well.

[wileedog]

Originally Posted by Hostile

There's a video I saw recently that blows you guys theories away. Hell, what does that matter? Did Rob Ryan praise Jerry for the talent he acquired to fill in for injuries.

Purposely obtuse is your "reality." Enjoy it.

Must be all the winning that is confusing us.