New Jersey boy not allowed back to school without flu shot

[Hoov]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Let me put it this way.

You don't have a right to have an input on how we raise our children.

Got it?

But Hoof does make some valid points about the concern of the other parents for their kids.

If the parents dont want to abide by the schools policies they can find another school so in essence no one is telling a parent how to raise their child

[Hoov]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

You didn't see that the other comments got deleted?

no ???

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoov

But Hoof does make some valid points about the concern of the other parents for their kids.

If the parents dont want to abide by the schools policies they can find another school so in essence no one is telling a parent how to raise their child

Then if the schools are going to put overreaching rules like that in place and the parent chooses to remove the kids then they should be excused from paying the taxes that go to that school district. Can't have it both ways.

[Hoov]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Then if the schools are going to put overreaching rules like that in place and the parent chooses to remove the kids then they should be excused from paying the taxes that go to that school district. Can't have it both ways.

Thats not going to work. Parents that dont have kids still have to pay those taxes and dont parents of kids that go to private school still have to pay the same taxes too ?

[DallasCowpoke]

6-year-old Dallas girl found dead after being sent home from hospital with flu diagnosis

A 6-year-old girl who had been diagnosed with the flu was found dead this morning at her home in Pleasant Grove.

Tahila Johnson complained Monday morning of aches and pains “all over her body,” according to a police report.

She was taken to Dallas Regional Medical Center in Mesquite that night and discharged about 10 p.m. with Zyrtec and a flu diagnosis, the report says.

WFAA-TV (Channel 8) reports that while the family was told Tahila had the flu, she was never specifically tested for the virus.

That night, Tahila’s grandmother checked on her around 2 a.m. and heard the girl snoring in bed at their home on Hollow Ridge Road. In the morning, she found the girl “stiff and cold to the touch,” the report says.

Paramedics declared the child dead at 7:22 a.m.

The Dallas County medical examiner’s office has yet to confirm the child’s cause of death. An autopsy won’t be performed until Wednesday.

Our Scott Farwell and Marc Ramirez reported in this morning’s paper that this flu season could be one of the worst in North Texas since the H1N1 epidemic hit three years ago.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoov

Thats not going to work. Parents that dont have kids still have to pay those taxes and dont parents of kids that go to private school still have to pay the same taxes too ?

Of course not. That's why they don't have the right to over reach.

[Hoov]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Of course not. That's why they don't have the right to over reach.

In this case it seems that a policy was created based on what was best overall and there is one family that is resisting. They will just have to deal with it and find another school and yes, they will have to pay the taxes.

I dont think it is overreaching because the goal is to look out for the welfare of all the kids.

In life there will always be people that dont agree with a policy at a school or job or something. That is part of life, everyone cant have things the way they want because people differ in oppinions about what is best and what should be done so there is usually a consensus when creating rules or regulations or policies. Someone will always be the odd man out. Sometimes its you, next time its the otherr fella.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoov

In this case it seems that a policy was created based on what was best overall and there is one family that is resisting. They will just have to deal with it and find another school and yes, they will have to pay the taxes.

I dont think it is overreaching because the goal is to look out for the welfare of all the kids.

In life there will always be people that dont agree with a policy at a school or job or something. That is part of life, everyone cant have things the way they want because people differ in oppinions about what is best and what should be done so there is usually a consensus when creating rules or regulations or policies. Someone will always be the odd man out. Sometimes its you, next time its the otherr fella.

No one has the right to tell a parent what to inject their kids with. Appalling.

[ShiningStar]

Originally Posted by DallasCowpoke

6-year-old Dallas girl found dead after being sent home from hospital with flu diagnosis

A 6-year-old girl who had been diagnosed with the flu was found dead this morning at her home in Pleasant Grove.

Tahila Johnson complained Monday morning of aches and pains “all over her body,” according to a police report.

She was taken to Dallas Regional Medical Center in Mesquite that night and discharged about 10 p.m. with Zyrtec and a flu diagnosis, the report says.

WFAA-TV (Channel 8) reports that while the family was told Tahila had the flu, she was never specifically tested for the virus.

[View Full Quote]That night, Tahila’s grandmother checked on her around 2 a.m. and heard the girl snoring in bed at their home on Hollow Ridge Road. In the morning, she found the girl “stiff and cold to the touch,” the report says.

Paramedics declared the child dead at 7:22 a.m.

The Dallas County medical examiner’s office has yet to confirm the child’s cause of death. An autopsy won’t be performed until Wednesday.

Our Scott Farwell and Marc Ramirez reported in this morning’s paper that this flu season could be one of the worst in North Texas since the H1N1 epidemic hit three years ago.

the best way to look at this post is simple, people die, it sucks, but you cant outlaw it NOR can you tell other people how to treat their children. that being the simple answer, now dont get in a huff like my friend who became a computer teacher at a school and immediately started thinking he knew what was best for OTHER peoples children, i should add former because he was taking that way to serious.

Bad things are going to happen, you cant stop it NOR prevent it. I dont care how healthy you eat or the carbon imprint you leave upon the earth, when you text while driving and a semi slams into you, dead is dead regardless of health.

The vaccine is for one strain, while many many many many many, (and for the ones that dont get it, multiple manys) strains out there. This is a warning for hte people who buy everything anti biotic and think they are immune to sickness, it isnt going to help. You can pretend all you like or fool yourself. You will end up either sick or worse if its the case, just the way life goes.

I do agree with animlistic, I think its time to tackle that cancer thing head on and start sharing data and techniques and be proud of the road our doctors have traveled to get as far with cancer as we have. And believe me without even being a doctor i am proud of what they have accomplished.

Back to rant, teachers educators and administrators dont have the right or the policy to tell parents how to take care of their kids. I dont have kids and even i would never tell another parent how to raise their child because i dont know their child as they know their child. Even, dare i hope never come to pass, I worked for a school, i would try to fight the policy of "its for the common good" with all my fiber because its not fair to all for a select few to say "we know whats best for you"

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by ShiningStar

the best way to look at this post is simple, people die, it sucks, but you cant outlaw it NOR can you tell other people how to treat their children. that being the simple answer, now dont get in a huff like my friend who became a computer teacher at a school and immediately started thinking he knew what was best for OTHER peoples children, i should add former because he was taking that way to serious.

Bad things are going to happen, you cant stop it NOR prevent it. I dont care how healthy you eat or the carbon imprint you leave upon the earth, when you text while driving and a semi slams into you, dead is dead regardless of health.

[View Full Quote]The vaccine is for one strain, while many many many many many, (and for the ones that dont get it, multiple manys) strains out there. This is a warning for hte people who buy everything anti biotic and think they are immune to sickness, it isnt going to help. You can pretend all you like or fool yourself. You will end up either sick or worse if its the case, just the way life goes.

I do agree with animlistic, I think its time to tackle that cancer thing head on and start sharing data and techniques and be proud of the road our doctors have traveled to get as far with cancer as we have. And believe me without even being a doctor i am proud of what they have accomplished.

Back to rant, teachers educators and administrators dont have the right or the policy to tell parents how to take care of their kids. I dont have kids and even i would never tell another parent how to raise their child because i dont know their child as they know their child. Even, dare i hope never come to pass, I worked for a school, i would try to fight the policy of "its for the common good" with all my fiber because its not fair to all for a select few to say "we know whats best for you"

Wow. We are not alone. Thank you for this post.

[ShiningStar]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Wow. We are not alone. Thank you for this post.

Amen brother, you inspired that post.

[Hoov]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

No one has the right to tell a parent what to inject their kids with. Appalling.

They are just saying that the kid cant come there unless he has the same flu shot that all the other kids have already had. Why does one kid get special treatment and not have to follow the rules.

The parents are not being forced to do anything, they have other options for the childs schooling.

[a_minimalist]

Doesn't the flu shot protect against flus? If every kid has one and one doesn't why does it matter? I thought the other kids can't get it after the shot? If parents don't want their kid to have the flu give them the shot. If other parents will deal with the flu if their kid gets sick let them. Why does it have to be so black and white?

I'd much rather let my kid get sick like I did and let his or her body learn to fight back. Sorry but I've had the flu many times. You get better. If you're on welfare and live off of soda and potato chips then maybe you should consider it if its free. If not keep your kid hydrated and gets rest. Making sure he or she is taken care of doesn't seem like some arduous task. I'm sure it's not easy, I don't have children so I don't know. I'm sure on top of work and life it's difficult but not everything is supposed to be easy. Let's not make it sound like the flu is some deadly virus. People have also died from the flu shot. All of this stuff is very new. I'd personally rather not be the guinea pig.

[ShiningStar]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Doesn't the flu shot protect against flus? If every kid has one and one doesn't why does it matter? I thought the other kids can't get it after the shot?

I'd much rather let my kid get sick like I did and let his or her body learn to fight back. Sorry but I've had the flu many times. You get better. If you're on welfare and live off of soda and potato chips then maybe you should consider it if its free. If not keep your kid hydrated and making sure he or she is taken care of doesn't seem like some arduous task. I'm sure it's not easy, I don't have children so I don't know. I'm sure on top of work and life it's difficult but not everything is supposed to easy. Let's not make it sound like the flu is some deadly virus. People have died from the flu shot. All of this stuff is very new. I'd personally rather not be the guinea pig.

independent thought , where were you going with that one, id like to hear more.


good post.

[ShiningStar]

Originally Posted by Hoov

They are just saying that the kid cant come there unless he has the same flu shot that all the other kids have already had. Why does one kid get special treatment and not have to follow the rules.

The parents are not being forced to do anything, they have other options for the childs schooling.

first of all they might be scared, the kid is allergic to one ingredient in the vacine and they are not getting a doctors note that will assume hes not allergic to anything else in it.

Parents with kids who have allergies to peanuts in my view go to extremes to protect their children, this has no baring on my opinion since it being their child and not mine, so my opinion goes out the door and rightly so.

How are children with an egg allergy, i have no idea, but i do know more about what i dont know than what i do know, and i know allergies are not always permeant and NOT always going to declare themselves and lots of them have serious repercussions THAT i would not want to risk my child to, so i would err on the side of caution as well.

As public schools are that public with rules, and of course lots of money filtered into, the educators have gotten on a trip that THEY know whats best for children, to respond, i give them the raspberries. People on an agenda will always be on what they percieve as their crusade, its time to stop some crusades and go back to reality. If the school wants to ensure the safety of every children, than in that regard they are going to have to let their agendas go because they are not 100 percent full proof.