What Kiffin Won't Do

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Id say 60% of this board is objective and the other 40% have an agenda one way or the other.

Most of it is coming off as negative though because the Cowboys don't give us much to be positive about.

Yeah, that's the thing. If you knew me in the early 90's you'd swear I was a card carrying homer.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by kirkjrk

Only if Mr. Greenjeans was his Asst. Anyone on this board old enough to know who that was.

Sadly, I am and I do.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

The Tampa 2 is predicated on pressure by the defensive line. Period.

Now ask yourself why it was that the Redskins pushed Dallas all over the field in their running and passing game.

The answer is Dallas does not have a smash mouth defensive front. Think of the last time Dallas actually manhandled a team with their front seven.

So, Dallas will take these same players and try to get pressure where they have not before to the extent of running the Tampa 2.

This defense is about stout defensive tackles that can maintain the middle and stop the run. Because when the middle linebacker, and that will be Bruce because of his size and speed will vacate to cover the middle of the field offering what essentially is the Tampa 3, with the middle linebacker guarding the middle of the field, that puts the tackles on islands with the running game.

[View Full Quote]So if you do not have defensive tackles that can hold their ground and prevent the run, then you will be gashed.

Since Dallas hasn't shown it can put on pressure, then it is my contention unless they draft the right people and come away in FA with the right defensive front, this will not transition as well as some think.

I am not knocking Kiffin, but the idea that this team has the components as it stands to play this defense. It takes two solid tackles and pressure.

Another aspect of this defense is that two TE sets with athletic TEs press the seams and force decisions by the weakside linebacker and safeties. This is where the mismatch will come.

Last is this defense does not care how many yards it gives up between the twenties. It is predicated on sacks and turnovers. The scheme does not do all the generating of these important aspects of the defense.

It takes the right players.

Now Kiffin may be able to tweak the defense and make it shine. But there will need to be a drastic change in the interior defensive line to play this defense. And pressure from the outside.

Because if you do not put on pressure, the DB's are in trouble.

All true, TwoDeep. I'm not so sure this scheme switch won't make it more likely we go DL and not OL in the draft.

I understand needing those pieces but I can not tolerate another year of a franchise quality QB playing behind such a marginal line. I'd sooner revamp that and look to out score people next year.

[dfan32]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

We could have hired Captain Kangaroo as the new DC and half this board would be high fiving themselves.

Depends if he could bring Mr. Green jeans with him or not.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Yeah, that's the thing. If you knew me in the early 90's you'd swear I was a card carrying homer.

That is the thing RS.

I still love the team and it hurts like hell when they lose.

I just have no faith in Jones and his ability to build a team.

But I was one of the biggest homers ever in the 90's.

[OklahomaCowboy88]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

That is the thing RS.

I still love the team and it hurts like hell when they lose.

I just have no faith in Jones and his ability to build a team.

But I was one of the biggest homers ever in the 90's.

Same here.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

That is the thing RS.

I still love the team and it hurts like hell when they lose.

I just have no faith in Jones and his ability to build a team.

But I was one of the biggest homers ever in the 90's.

I was cocky and confident. Now I'm bitter and afraid.

17 years of losing will do that to you.

On the plus side, the next title might be the sweetest. If we live to see it.

[goshan]

Lee is the Mike, not Carter. Lee will be the best at covering the deep zone.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

All true, TwoDeep. I'm not so sure this scheme switch won't make it more likely we go DL and not OL in the draft.

I understand needing those pieces but I can not tolerate another year of a franchise quality QB playing behind such a marginal line. I'd sooner revamp that and look to out score people next year.

My fear is the team needed offensive line, and now because Jerry doesn't get that he just manufactured the need for defensive line because of scheme change.

So we are now weak at two areas instead of one.

I think Ryan's defense - if healthy - could have kept the team close enough if the offense was revamped and and they improved the offensive line and got one more quality receiver.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by goshan

Lee is the Mike, not Carter. Lee will be the best at covering the deep zone.

Yes, I tried to correct that and it had already timed out on me.

[dfan32]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

Is improve the defense if he does not have the right players to effectively run his scheme.

I'm not a big Tampa 2 guy, but will wait and see. But it appears there is a swing now in the zone that this guy is Mr. Defense, and he may well be.

But looking at Tampa Bay, who was his high water mark, you have to wonder how these players in a completely different scheme and defensive front will fit into his mold.

If he has to retool, then this will not be a turn around from one season to the next. Nor will Jerry be very tolerant of Garrett since he's had a long time to make this work.

Garrett is being forced into the conventional head coach position, and that is something he seems to have been bucking since taking over from Wade.

To sum up, Kiffin will need time to change out the players if he truly is going to run what he ran in Tampa. If so, considering the cap, then this will be a several year process.
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He will also be 76 by then.

So unless Gruden comes in, this is mo0re of the same of what I expect from Jerry.

Because the real big negative part of this is, if it takes several years for Kiffin to get the team assembled...

How old will Romo be again?

Just suppose the vaunted 'Tampa 2' is the result of Kiffin designing and developing a defense that best utilized the players he had in Tampa Bay at the time.

If he is half the coach everyone claims he is, he already knows he doesn't have time to clone all those guys and build himself a replica of that defense. That would take 2 to 3 years and we all know, Kiffin does too by the way, Jerry J. isn't going to wait that long.

He will try to put together a defense that works now and for the most part with the players we have. If he doesn't, he probably won't be here for long.

[gimmesix]

Originally Posted by dfan32

Just suppose the vaunted 'Tampa 2' is the result of Kiffin designing and developing a defense that best utilized the players he had in Tampa Bay at the time.

If he is half the coach everyone claims he is, he already knows he doesn't have time to clone all those guys and build himself a replica of that defense. That would take 2 to 3 years and we all know, Kiffin does too by the way, Jerry J. isn't going to wait that long.

He will try to put together a defense that works now and for the most part with the players we have. If he doesn't, he probably won't be here for long.

I don't think he would have come to Dallas if he didn't think he could succeed. I haven't seen evidence that the Cowboys were the only ones interested in him.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by gimmesix

I don't think he would have come to Dallas if he didn't think he could succeed. I haven't seen evidence that the Cowboys were the only ones interested in him.

Do you think Campo took the job thinking he would fail?

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by dfan32

Just suppose the vaunted 'Tampa 2' is the result of Kiffin designing and developing a defense that best utilized the players he had in Tampa Bay at the time.

GREAT, GREAT point.

Seriously. Props.

[Vertigo_17]

Originally Posted by dfan32

Just suppose the vaunted 'Tampa 2' is the result of Kiffin designing and developing a defense that best utilized the players he had in Tampa Bay at the time.

If he is half the coach everyone claims he is, he already knows he doesn't have time to clone all those guys and build himself a replica of that defense. That would take 2 to 3 years and we all know, Kiffin does too by the way, Jerry J. isn't going to wait that long.

He will try to put together a defense that works now and for the most part with the players we have. If he doesn't, he probably won't be here for long.

This.