Drafting Claiborne vs. Brockers/Wagner - Page 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

rbr651 · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by Zordon

Which would have been better for a 4-3 defense?

Could you imagine for a second, Wagner-Lee-Carter as our linebacker unit?

How about a rotation of Hatcher-Ratliff-Brockers on the inside?

The improvement that we made at CB I think was much more important than upgrading at LB or in the front 3 at the time of the draft. Nobody new that we would be switching back to a 43 last year, hell as far as that goes nobody knows for sure that we'll be playing a 43 next year, yeah it's probable but not definitive, at least not yet.

rocyaice · 01-12-2013

We still made the right decision. Even in hindsight. I still believe Claiborne will be a better player than Brockers and there was no need for ANOTHER ILB on this team. Just wasn't.

el_chevo · 01-12-2013

Sometimes, I believe, folks tend to overlook one component of athletes - the mind. You can draft all the talent you want, but if they are too mentally challenged to develop, well then, you have made a draft mistake.

theogt · 01-12-2013

I guarantee you most GMs would still make the same trade. A top corner is infinitely more valuable than a linebacker or interior defensive lineman. Brockers lucked out with 4 sacks in 3 games. Otherwise he was pretty ineffective, and almost certainly will be in the remainder of this career.

Wagner would have seen the field this year, but only because of our injuries. Without the injuries, he would have been a special teams player.

perrykemp · 01-12-2013

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Originally Posted by rocyaice

We still made the right decision. Even in hindsight. I still believe Claiborne will be a better player than Brockers and there was no need for ANOTHER ILB on this team. Just wasn't.

Well, if we are talking hindsight, Casey Heyward is a prototypical zone CB. Incredible ball skills -- good tackler, etc.

If you are talking hindsight AND have the hindsight of knowing the team was moving to a 4-3 Tampa 2 defense the next year, taking Bockers in the 1st and Heyward in the 2nd would have much better in hinsight.

Again, a lot of hindsight there.

theogt · 01-12-2013

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Originally Posted by perrykemp

Well, if we are talking hindsight, Casey Heyward is a prototypical zone CB. Incredible ball skills -- good tackler, etc.

If you are talking hindsight AND have the hindsight of knowing the team was moving to a 4-3 Tampa 2 defense the next year, taking Bockers in the 1st and Heyward in the 2nd would have much better in hinsight.

Again, a lot of hindsight there.

Not even close.

UncFelix28 · 01-12-2013

Wagner wouldn't have been the pick had they held on to their 2nd anyways, so I am not sure why the OP is trying to use this hindsight 20/20 bs.. I believe Bryan Broaddus when he says Peter Konz would have been at the top of Dallas's draft board & likely their pick at 45. Broaddus said this prior to the season & during this offseason when fans brought up the question. Easy for fans to debate though without actual knowledge

Zordon · 01-12-2013

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Originally Posted by UncFelix28

Wagner wouldn't have been the pick had they held on to their 2nd anyways, so I am not sure why the OP is trying to use this hindsight 20/20 bs.. I believe Bryan Broaddus when he says Peter Konz would have been at the top of Dallas's draft board & likely their pick at 45. Broaddus said this prior to the season & during this offseason when fans brought up the question. Easy for fans to debate though without actual knowledge

Smarten up, Jerry said himself Bobby Wagner would have been the pick.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...e-been-drafted

UncFelix28 · 01-12-2013

smarten up, that's if you believe Jerry.

Zordon · 01-12-2013

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smarten up, that's if you believe Jerry.

can you give me his motivation for lying?

UncFelix28 · 01-12-2013

No clue why Jerry lies about anything, but he does.. I think Broaddus actually tries to get to the fact of the matter. I'd like to say when making comments in the media, I would find him a more legit source than the man who runs the team.

Zordon · 01-12-2013

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Originally Posted by UncFelix28

No clue why Jerry lies about anything, but he does.. I think Broaddus actually tries to get to the fact of the matter. I'd like to say when making comments in the media, I would find him a more legit source than the man who runs the team.

so you'd rather trust a guy who is getting information from second hand sources the man who ACTUALLY makes the draft day decisions? what kind of logic is that? like i said smarten up, jerry had no reason to lie about bobby freaking wagner.

UncFelix28 · 01-12-2013

Also a thread like this would be good in 2 years, not after a 1 year sample!! Most Cowboys fans wanted to throw Dez off the team even during the beginning of this past season & it looks like he has finally figured the game out at this level.. Lets see if MO can come on in his 2nd year and be the shut down type of guy the Cowboys believe he can be.

Derinyar · 01-12-2013

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Originally Posted by Zordon

so you'd rather trust a guy who is getting information from second hand sources the man who ACTUALLY makes the draft day decisions? what kind of logic is that? like i said smarten up, jerry had no reason to lie about bobby freaking wagner.

The question is why would a GM actually want to put out information about the way he actually is thinking into the media. It would make him more predictable and therefore easier to trump in something like a draft situation. Plus I think there's not a lot that the GM of a team can say about players currently under control by other teams.

Vinnie2u · 01-12-2013

Drafting one year later is 20/20. If we had taken Brockers how is it guaranteed that Wagner will be there in the second round? Fans got to realize that there are 31 other teams drafting.