Where our players fit in the Tampa 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

supercowboy8 · 01-13-2013

Good article about where dallas current players will fit in the tampa 2.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/...fit-into-a-4-3

xwalker · 01-13-2013

The one I don't know about is Spencer (6-3, 250) at the Strong Side DE.

Strong Side Defensive Ends on Kiffin Inspired Defenses:
Kevin Carter (6-5, 290) - 2008 Tampa Bay Bucs
Corey Wootton (6'6, 270) - 2012 Chicago Bears
Red Bryant (6-4, 323) - 2012 Seattle Seahawks

Risen Star · 01-13-2013

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Originally Posted by xwalker

The one I don't know about is Spencer (6-3, 250) at the Strong Side DE.

Strong Side Defensive Ends on Kiffin Inspired Defenses:
Kevin Carter (6-5, 290) - 2008 Tampa Bay Bucs
Corey Wootton (6'6, 270) - 2012 Chicago Bears
Red Bryant (6-4, 323) - 2012 Seattle Seahawks

Tyrone Crawford. He's the guy for that spot, IMO. Minus another player being brought in.

Zordon · 01-13-2013

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Tyrone Crawford. He's the guy for that spot, IMO. Minus another player being brought in.

he needs to gain some weight. i saw him at a bar recently, i was not impressed with his size.

claiborne too is a guy who needs to gain some mass this offseason. he needs to tackle more next year.

Risen Star · 01-13-2013

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he needs to gain some weight. i saw him at a bar recently, i was not impressed with his size.

claiborne too is a guy who needs to gain some mass this offseason. he needs to tackle more next year.

He's listed at 6'4" 285 lbs. I wouldn't want him any heavier than that to play DE in a 4-3.

Rack Bauer · 01-13-2013

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Tyrone Crawford. He's the guy for that spot, IMO. Minus another player being brought in.

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

He's listed at 6'4" 285 lbs. I wouldn't want him any heavier than that to play DE in a 4-3.

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honyock · 01-13-2013

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Tyrone Crawford. He's the guy for that spot, IMO. Minus another player being brought in.

Yep, the move to 4-3 could really be an opening for him.

rojan · 01-13-2013

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Originally Posted by xwalker

The one I don't know about is Spencer (6-3, 250) at the Strong Side DE.

Strong Side Defensive Ends on Kiffin Inspired Defenses:
Kevin Carter (6-5, 290) - 2008 Tampa Bay Bucs
Corey Wootton (6'6, 270) - 2012 Chicago Bears
Red Bryant (6-4, 323) - 2012 Seattle Seahawks

What about from 2001-2007 when Kiffin had Greg Spires (6-1 265 lbs) and Simeon Rice (6-5 268 lbs) as his DE's

Or all the years that the Colts had Mathis (6-2 245lbs) and Frenney (6-1 268) as DE's

RamziD · 01-13-2013

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Tyrone Crawford. He's the guy for that spot, IMO. Minus another player being brought in.

I think so, too. We know they think he has starter-talent because he was drafted in the 3rd. It would also allow us to let Spencer go elsewhere in free agency and use the cap space on other positions.

Zordon · 01-13-2013

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He's listed at 6'4" 285 lbs. I wouldn't want him any heavier than that to play DE in a 4-3.

I'm shocked to hear that weight. With the eye ball test, he didn't look more than 275 lbs.

Wilber was with him and he needs to put 10 lbs of mass this offseason.

Zordon · 01-13-2013

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What about from 2001-2007 when Kiffin had Greg Spires (6-1 265 lbs) and Simeon Rice (6-5 268 lbs) as his DE's

Or all the years that the Colts had Mathis (6-2 245lbs) and Frenney (6-1 268) as DE's

Yeah but were those colts defense really that impressive?

Deep_Freeze · 01-13-2013

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Tyrone Crawford. He's the guy for that spot, IMO. Minus another player being brought in.

Well I'm hopeful that Crawford can take the spot, although I have seen him more as a replacement for Hatch when he leaves than a candidate for DE. Guess the staff will make this decision on where best to use Crawford, with a determiner being his ability to turn the edge as an edge rusher at this level. If he has the body lean and bend to get around the edge, I'm sure the job is his to lose, and if he does indeed have that ability you will see this staff definitely let Spencer walk.

Either way we will still need to address the DE position this offseason, as Ware, Spencer (if here) and Crawford are really our only options for the position at the moment, and that just can't happen at a premium position that is probably the most important on any defense.

FuzzyLumpkins · 01-13-2013

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I'm shocked to hear that weight. With the eye ball test, he didn't look more than 275 lbs.

Wilber was with him and he needs to put 10 lbs of mass this offseason.

Then youre blind. His upper body and bubble make his weight pretty apparent to me.

Yakuza Rich · 01-13-2013

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Originally Posted by xwalker

The one I don't know about is Spencer (6-3, 250) at the Strong Side DE.

Strong Side Defensive Ends on Kiffin Inspired Defenses:
Kevin Carter (6-5, 290) - 2008 Tampa Bay Bucs
Corey Wootton (6'6, 270) - 2012 Chicago Bears
Red Bryant (6-4, 323) - 2012 Seattle Seahawks

I think Bryant is a DT. Irvin and Clemons are the starting DE's at Seattle. I think Kiffin generally favors speed over size at both DE spots. Greg Spires was 6'1" and 265 pounds.

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btcutter · 01-13-2013

Our personel will actually transition fine. Big issue is that the DL needs youth and depth. To play a good to great 4-3, you need to generate pass rush and run containment. That wears DL out. Gmen rotates tons of players in as did the Cowboys of the 90's. That's the recipe for a successful 4-3.

Our LB's will excel in 4-3 as they will not have to take on as many OL as they did in 3-4. Lee and Carter would be less prone to injuries.