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Old 01-16-2013   #16
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I have read that BROADDUS likes Cooper more than Warmack. I have not read that the COWBOYS like Cooper better than Warmack or that they like either player at all.

Let's not confuse what a former scout says he likes with something reported that the team likes.

I think you're right about that. Unless I missed the report that the Cowboys prefer Cooper.

I think people are focusing more on Cooper because he stands a much better chance of being there at 18.

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I'd be totally shocked if Warmack was there at 18. If for some reason he is there we better draft him. I just don't see it though.

I'm thinking Warmack is gone before 18 and we select somebody like Reid, Vacarro, Richardson or the 3 technique DT Bennie Logan from LSU.
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there are several very good OL, DL, and safeties in this draft, all positions of dire need for us


if we can trade down into the mid 20s and pick up a 2 or 3, that would be ideal

likely need to go OL and DL in rounds 1 and 2 in no particular order but based on draft board

then, safety in 3 (since this class is pretty deep at safety and we are likely to get a very very good player there)

this draft can bring 3 starters with the first 3 picks if we are smart
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I think you're right about that. Unless I missed the report that the Cowboys prefer Cooper.

I think people are focusing more on Cooper because he stands a much better chance of being there at 18.
I like Cooper a little more becase of the athletic ability he shows.

I concede that Warmack is a better player today but im not convinced Cooper couldn't pass him once he gets to an NFL team.

I'd be thrilled to have either.
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Cooper might fit a zone blocking scheme better than Warmack.
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I don't think Warmack could ever get the natural abilities Cooper has.

There is a better chance that Cooper could blow people off the ball like Warmack does eventually.


I like both players but I think I like Cooper a little better overall. Especially if we could add a 3rd rounder.
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I like Cooper a little more because of the athletic ability he shows.

I concede that Warmack is a better player today but I'm not convinced Cooper couldn't pass him once he gets to an NFL team.

I'd be thrilled to have either.
I would be happy with either player; however, I agree, with the statements above about Cooper.

Warmack has sufficient athletic ability now; however, any added weight and eventually age could easily slow him down to below average quickness, IMO.

Cooper has elite quickness and his power is very good.

College players tend to gain weight and strength in the NFL; however, they almost never get quicker.

Cooper started 1 game at Center in college. If he projects as both a Center and Guard, that would make him more valuable than Warmack, IMO, unless Warmack can player Center also.

IMO, Center is the 1 position that the Cowboys must get in this draft. Quality Centers just don't become available in Free Agency; whereas, good Guards often make it to FA.

Having said that, even if they take Cooper and think that he can play Center, I would still try to get one of Barrett Jones, Travis Frederick or Khalad Holmes in the 2nd or 3rd.

If both Warmack and Cooper are available at #18, they could consider trading down a few spots and risk that one of them would fall to that pick.

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I would love to have ONE guy on the O line that can just take out anyone on a power play. we have not had that since LA.
That's not necessarily true.

Gurode and Leonard Davis were both big, powerful guys and even Montrae Holland could move just about anybody.

What we haven't had is a guy who can do that AND get to the second level. But a lot of teams haven't, thats why LA is going to the HoF
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That's not necessarily true.

Gurode and Leonard Davis were both big, powerful guys and even Montrae Holland could move just about anybody.

What we haven't had is a guy who can do that AND get to the second level. But a lot of teams haven't, thats why LA is going to the HoF
Ah, Iupati, the one who got away.
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Ah, Iupati, the one who got away.
Glad he did or we wouldnt have Dez.
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There's a huge difference between the Cowboys showing interest in a player and fans showing an interest. Right now, the Cowboys haven't shown an interest in any players that I'm aware of. Wait to see whom they talk to at the bowls, most notably the Senior Bowl, then the Combine and the visits.

I will say that Dallas has shown a past history of not even looking at Texas players while the board screams for them.
this. i think its pretty rare that we draft players that played in texas so as much as i would like to see vacarro i think you can rule that out. our team tends to love players from OU,LSU, NC, small schools in illinios and florida schools.

at least that's what i have noticed
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I like Cooper's ability to move so well. I like Warmack a lot too.

Honestly, with Callahan here, Cooper might very well be the best fit. However, I love Warmack's nastyness and power.

Either one would make me happy though.
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I have read that BROADDUS likes Cooper more than Warmack. I have not read that the COWBOYS like Cooper better than Warmack or that they like either player at all.

Let's not confuse what a former scout says he likes with something reported that the team likes.

You may be right on that. In the OP I was operating from memory that I'd read it was the team that liked Cooper more. It very well could have been Broadus that said it. I can never underestimate my faulty memory.
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I like Cooper's ability to move so well. I like Warmack a lot too.

Honestly, with Callahan here, Cooper might very well be the best fit. However, I love Warmack's nastyness and power.

Either one would make me happy though.
Don't disagree at all.

Cooper does seem to play with better fundamentals and leverage though. That might help him have a smaller learning curve, even if Warmack has a greater upside.
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