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Old 01-17-2013   #31
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If there's one "major" coach I couldn't care less about, it's special teams. I'm sure they do something, I'm just not sure there's any proof of what it is exactly that is.
Special Teams is equally important as offense and defense. Special Teams "splash" plays have a huge correlation to winning games.
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I am really beginning to believe JJ still may or already has fired JG and Gruden is actually doing the hiring. Stay tune...something is up. Jerry has been too quiet with the media.
More like, Jerry is keeping it quiet until everything cools down. He's banking that everyone will get excited about the changes on defense and we'll all forget about a new OC.
My bet; brother Garrett is the last coaching change on offense. Jerry will try to fix the O-Line and defense. He's giving JG one more year to prove he can do both.
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Special Teams is equally important as offense and defense. Special Teams "splash" plays have a huge correlation to winning games.
I didn't say special teams wasn't important. I said I can find no proof of what a ST coach actually does. Other than yell at people when things go wrong, of course.

I can promise you no ST coach ever taught Devin Hester how to juke a guy out of his shoes or how to run faster.

I'm also half kidding. Half.
We need wins, and that's all we need. I don't give a damn about anyone on this roster over wins. I'd trade Ware, Lee and Dez if it meant more wins.
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He was a cowboys fan in high school though... U never know

I love how people think that being a fan of a team makes a difference.
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Old 01-18-2013   #36
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I didn't say special teams wasn't important. I said I can find no proof of what a ST coach actually does. Other than yell at people when things go wrong, of course.

I can promise you no ST coach ever taught Devin Hester how to juke a guy out of his shoes or how to run faster.

I'm also half kidding. Half.
There is some truth to that. A lot of the top special-teams players are just that way because of their natural ability to play it.

But if you take the Hester example, it still takes blockers knowing who they've got to hit to give him a chance to do his stuff. It can't just be chaos. So the ST coach has a role in that success. The evidence is often how well the play is blocked because there are definitely times when a good returner overcomes poor blocking.

Same thing with the coverage. A good scheme is going to be set up to not just depend on defeating blocking, but to have players get to certain points to allow others to fill in and make the plays. It can be undone by the kicker putting the kickoff in the wrong spot. It can be undone by players not being disciplined to let the scheme develop or not understanding where to go if the blocking develops a certain way.

In a way, special teams has to be coordinated better than either of the other units because there's so much field to cover. Leave gaps in your scheme and there they go!
"'Room' always makes me chuckle. That's irrelevant. What we have on a given day really doesn't relate to what you're ultimately going to have and how you're going to manage."
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I love how people think that being a fan of a team makes a difference.
It got us Lovie Smith didn't it? Ooops
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When the rules changed about the wedge formations it appeared that Joe D didn't adapt to it very well.

We've consistently had poor starting field position in his tenure here and after the debacles we've had on ST under him I grew pretty tired of him as well.

Hoofbite posted the information I'm referring to about the blunders on ST.
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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Maybe they can finally protect the punter.
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I am really beginning to believe JJ still may or already has fired JG and Gruden is actually doing the hiring.
We should be so lucky...
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When the rules changed about the wedge formations it appeared that Joe D didn't adapt to it very well.
Noticed this as well.
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Is Stukes still with the team?
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I'm not passing judgement, since I don't really track the progress of ST coaches. However, didn't the Chargers have a horror show for ST the last couple of years? I seem to remember multiple blocked punts and TD returns against them?

Can anyone expand?

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/18620/18620
EDIT-Did a quick search and found this referencing some problems.

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I love how people think that being a fan of a team makes a difference.
Give me a break.... Jeesh .... I was being a little tongue in cheek.. Don't take stuff so literal ... Of course I would hope a person wouldn't decide on his career future based on fandom...
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There is some truth to that. A lot of the top special-teams players are just that way because of their natural ability to play it.

But if you take the Hester example, it still takes blockers knowing who they've got to hit to give him a chance to do his stuff. It can't just be chaos. So the ST coach has a role in that success. The evidence is often how well the play is blocked because there are definitely times when a good returner overcomes poor blocking.

Same thing with the coverage. A good scheme is going to be set up to not just depend on defeating blocking, but to have players get to certain points to allow others to fill in and make the plays. It can be undone by the kicker putting the kickoff in the wrong spot. It can be undone by players not being disciplined to let the scheme develop or not understanding where to go if the blocking develops a certain way.

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I'd say "curbing chaos" is an excellent description of what a ST coach tries to accomplish.

I guess the proof I'm searching for is that everyone doesn't immediately drop to the turf and start spinning in circles alla 3 stooges.
We need wins, and that's all we need. I don't give a damn about anyone on this roster over wins. I'd trade Ware, Lee and Dez if it meant more wins.
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