Spreadsheet of most effective drafters (teams) or: Why I miss Parcells

[mldardy]

Screw Parcells he was average at best while he was here. So sick of people on this board pumping him at every chance they get.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by jimnabby

Parcells was responsible for the horrendous '04 and '06 drafts, don't forget.

The 5 year ranking is killed by the disastrous '09 draft and some slow development & injuries (Dez, Lee, Carter in particular) that limited starts and potential Pro Bowls. It will be interesting to see the five year ranking two years from now. In the best case, we'll have a boatload of Pro Bowls from Dez, Lee, Carter, Smith & Claiborne. In the worst case, the injuries never go away for Lee & Carter, Smith & Claiborne don't develop the way we hope, and Dez doesn't put his knucklehead days behind him the way he seems to be doing.

An entire draft that was a joke, and most of the world knew it was that very weekend. How is that anything but a gigantic indictment of the organization?

Injuries are no excuse. Sean Lee fell in the draft because he was injury prone, and meeting the expectations of all the GMs who passed on him, he's been constantly injured since joining the Cowboys. Bruce Carter was drafted later than originally thought because he was injured. 2 years, and he's played a handful of games. Now the 2 of them have 1 and 2 years, respectively, remaining on their rookie contracts, and the Cowboys have little to show for 2 2nd round draft picks. That's a recipe for mediocrity or worse, and we've seen it in the standings, in spades.

That's not bad luck. The Cowboys foolishly continue to gamble on injury prone players, then homer fans act like it's bad luck when they get hurt.

Parcells was responsible for the 2004 and 2006 drafts, but that doesn't change that 2003 and 2005 were the 2 best since Jimmy Johnson ran the show, and lightyears better than anything since, to say nothing of the quality UFAs Parcells picked up in those years.

Parcells had built one of the NFL's best rosters when he left, and 6 years later, on the heels of 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8, that roster has detiorated to mediocrity and getting worse. And only the most naive think Jerry Jones and Larry Lacewell are going to rebuild what Jones destroyed in just a few short years.

[Double Trouble]

Originally Posted by mldardy

Screw Parcells he was average at best while he was here. So sick of people on this board pumping him at every chance they get.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Stop trying to turn it into something it isn't.

I assume you mean "useful".

[Apollo Creed]

Think about it - without Parcells fingerprint, would today's Cowboys even be competitive?

I'm in the minority that believes without Romo this team would struggle to win 3-5 games, and can't imagine this team even being competitive without guys like Romo, Witten, Ware, Austin, Ratliff, etc.

Dez does look to have superstar potential but he fell in your lap mid-20s, Tyron Smith was a safe no brainer, Carter and Lee look like pro bowlers but neither can finish a season it seems.

So, we should all thank the Tuna, even 6 years after he left.

[mldardy]

Originally Posted by Apollo Creed

Think about it - without Parcells fingerprint, would today's Cowboys even be competitive?

I'm in the minority that believes without Romo this team would struggle to win 3-5 games, and can't imagine this team even being competitive without guys like Romo, Witten, Ware, Austin, Ratliff, etc.

Dez does look to have superstar potential but he fell in your lap mid-20s, Tyron Smith was a safe no brainer, Carter and Lee look like pro bowlers but neither can finish a season it seems.

So, we should all thank the Tuna, even 6 years after he left.

Yes they would. It took Parcells way too long to start developing Romo and even longer to start him. People were wondering why it took Parcells so long to let Romo start and play an entire or the majority of a preseason game and why it took so long to start Romo in a regular season game when everyone could clearly see Bledsoe was slowing down and couldn't move at all.

Some of those guys you mentioned: Ware, Austin, Ratliff, Romo either were guys Parcells didn't really want or went undrafted which to me says our scouting department did just as much work as Parcells on finding those players. Again you are giving Parcells way too much credit.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by theogt

I assume you mean "useful".

Occasionally I, too, get mad at charts for not illustrating something they never claim to illustrate. I wouldn't call them useless though. I'm not a bully.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Apollo Creed

Think about it - without Parcells fingerprint, would today's Cowboys even be competitive?

I'm in the minority that believes without Romo this team would struggle to win 3-5 games, and can't imagine this team even being competitive without guys like Romo, Witten, Ware, Austin, Ratliff, etc.

Dez does look to have superstar potential but he fell in your lap mid-20s, Tyron Smith was a safe no brainer, Carter and Lee look like pro bowlers but neither can finish a season it seems.

So, we should all thank the Tuna, even 6 years after he left.

Amen.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by superpunk

No.

You can pick apart any statistical analysis by arguing that it doesn't prove what you want it to prove and find hypothetical scenarios to criticize it with. Over the long haul most of those anomalies will even out. Stop trying to turn it into something it isn't. It's measuring strictly the players you drafted and the length and (admittedly subjective) quality of their careers. It's not a chart correlating draft success to winning or quality of trades and imaginary offensive linemen.

What does your chart say about Bobby Carpenter? Or Jacob Rogers, or James Marten?

[Apollo Creed]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

What does your chart say about Bobby Carpenter? Or Jacob Rogers, or James Marten?

Jason Witten and Demarcus Ware, guys that almost certainly will end up in Canton when its all said it done - blows your handful of players out of the water.

Romo is the most valuable piece he found though, that's been evident since he put him in for Bledsoe that night against the G-Men. Has been a different team, almost always feels you have a chance as long as 9 is in the game.

I'm just in the minority that thinks your QB can only go as far as your running game, receivers, defense, and coaching staff takes you.

It's the ultimate team game, Parcells understood that, seems plenty of you don't.

[dez_for_prez]

The playoff teams are spread out all over this list. There are only 4 guys left on our roster from him.

Hide2003 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 5 5 Terence Newman Cornerback Kansas State
2 6 38 Al Johnson Center Wisconsin
3 5 69 Jason Witten Tight End Tennessee
4 6 103 Bradie James Linebacker LSU
6 5 178 B. J. Tucker Cornerback Wisconsin
6 13 186 Zuriel Smith Wide Receiver Hampton
7 5 219 Justin Bates Guard Colorado
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Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
2 11 43 Julius Jones Running Back Notre Dame
2 20 52 Jacob Rogers Offensive Tackle Southern Cal
3 20 83 Stephen Peterman Guard LSU
4 25 121 Bruce Thornton Cornerback Georgia
5 12 144 Sean Ryan Tight End Boston College
7 4 205 Nathan Jones Cornerback Rutgers
7 15 216 Patrick Crayton Wide Receiver Northwestern Oklahoma State
7 22 223 Jacques Reeves Cornerback Purdue
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Hide2005 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 11 11 DeMarcus Ware Linebacker Troy
1 20 20 Marcus Spears Defensive End LSU
2 10 42 Kevin Burnett Linebacker Tennessee
4 8 109 Marion Barber III Running Back Minnesota
4 31 132 Chris Canty Defensive End Virginia
6 34 208 Justin Beriault Safety Ball State
6 35 209 Rob Petitti Offensive Tackle Pittsburgh
7 10 224 Jay Ratliff Defensive Tackle Auburn
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Hide2006 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 18 18 Bobby Carpenter Linebacker Ohio State
2 21 53 Anthony Fasano Tight End Notre Dame
3 28 92 Jason Hatcher Defensive End Grambling State
4 28 125 Skyler Green Wide Receiver LSU
5 5 138 Pat Watkins Safety Florida State
6 13 182 Montavious Stanley Defensive Tackle Louisville
7 3 211 Pat McQuistan Offensive Tackle Weber State
7 16 244 E. J. Whitley Center Texas Tech

2004 and 2006 were terrible. His best pick was Ware and he wanted to take Spears at 11. I see no reason for why we should miss him.

[theebs]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

What does your chart say about Bobby Carpenter? Or Jacob Rogers, or James Marten?

missed on rogers.

missed on carpenter, still played here for four years and appeared in 3 playoff games, even recovered a fumble in one.

more than jason williams ever did.

Marten was a ireland/jerry/wade/garrett/landry/schramm pick.

whomever has been in charge since the day the man took his bat and went to saratoga.

[dez_for_prez]

Originally Posted by Apollo Creed

Jason Witten and Demarcus Ware, guys that almost certainly will end up in Canton when its all said it done - blows your handful of players out of the water.

Romo is the most valuable piece he found though, that's been evident since he put him in for Bledsoe that night against the G-Men. Has been a different team, almost always feels you have a chance as long as 9 is in the game.

I'm just in the minority that thinks your QB can only go as far as your running game, receivers, defense, and coaching staff takes you.

It's the ultimate team game, Parcells understood that, seems plenty of you don't.

You are aware that Parcells wanted to take Spears at 11 instead of Ware right?

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by Apollo Creed

Jason Witten and Demarcus Ware, guys that almost certainly will end up in Canton when its all said it done - blows your handful of players out of the water.

Romo is the most valuable piece he found though, that's been evident since he put him in for Bledsoe that night against the G-Men. Has been a different team, almost always feels you have a chance as long as 9 is in the game.

I'm just in the minority that thinks your QB can only go as far as your running game, receivers, defense, and coaching staff takes you.

It's the ultimate team game, Parcells understood that, seems plenty of you don't.

Have you've taken a poll? How do you know what I think, or others think? Without taking a "poll", I'm pretty sure most Cowboy fans on here know what it takes for a successful team.

[dez_for_prez]

missed on carpenter, still played here for four years and appeared in 3 playoff games, even recovered a fumble in one.

What a career for a 1st round pick.