Bob Sturm relays argument against Charles Haley for HOF - Page 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

**Idgit** · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by joseephuss

What a poor choice of words.

You probably wouldn't believe how long I went back and forth on that one.

joseephuss · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Idgit

You probably wouldn't believe how long I went back and forth on that one.

Super_Kazuya · 02-01-2013

Put me in the group that has Haley just on the outside of the HOF. People either forget or just aren't old enough to know, but when Haley came here he was in no way thought of someone who was Hall of Fame caliber... he was an extremely talented head case, a dominant pass rusher who was okay at best against the run. He did have that breakout season in 1990 (the kind that you would expect to see about 8 more of from a HOF DE, at least in my HOF) but other than that had been good to very good. Then he leaves one team of the decade for the team of the next decade and apparently has "won" his way into the Hall.

Definitely not gonna be upset if he makes it; but he just doesn't pass the smell test to me. Also, his 5 Pro Bowls and 2 All-Pros seem low to me (Reggie White had 13 and 8, for an admittedly lofty comparison, but still the best of the best is what we're talking about here).

**WoodysGirl** · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Idgit

My point is that each team is different each year, but, yeah, it wasn't a good point. Two organizations, 5 rings. Great for him, but he wasn't the one winning those trophies by himself.

He also was reportedly such a bad teammate that I ding him for that. That might not be fair to him, but stories of him masturbating in meetings and urinating on coaches' cars rub me the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by joseephuss

What a poor choice of words.

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Originally Posted by Idgit

You probably wouldn't believe how long I went back and forth on that one.

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I hate you both...

joseephuss · 02-01-2013

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I hate you both...

It's the first of February, not April. You can't fool me. I know you love us both.

InmanRoshi · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

Put me in the group that has Haley just on the outside of the HOF. People either forget or just aren't old enough to know, but when Haley came here he was in no way thought of someone who was Hall of Fame caliber... he was an extremely talented head case, a dominant pass rusher who was okay at best against the run. He did have that breakout season in 1990 (the kind that you would expect to see about 8 more of from a HOF DE, at least in my HOF) but other than that had been good to very good. Then he leaves one team of the decade for the team of the next decade and apparently has "won" his way into the Hall.

Definitely not gonna be upset if he makes it; but he just doesn't pass the smell test to me. Also, his 5 Pro Bowls and 2 All-Pros seem low to me (Reggie White had 13 and 8, for an admittedly lofty comparison, but still the best of the best is what we're talking about here).

I definitely agree he's not in the no-brainer category, but I think he's pretty comparable to Richard Dent who got in. Mostly I think he's held out because sports writers want to punish him for not "playing ball" with them, and I absolutely abhor the way sports journalists over-inflate their importance to sports and use Hall of Fame nominations to grind personal vendettas.

burmafrd · 02-01-2013

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I definitely agree he's not in the no-brainer category, but I think he's pretty comparable to Richard Dent who got in. Mostly I think he's held out because sports writers want to punish him for not "playing ball" with them, and I absolutely abhor the way sports journalists over-inflate their importance to sports and use Hall of Fame nominations to grind personal vendettas.

as far as I am concerned the only people who should vote on the HOF should be PRESENT members of the HOF.

30 years ago I would not have felt this way. Now 99% of the sportswriters are garbage.

I absolutely believe that some of the choices of the last 10 years (Warren Moon for example) got in and should NOT have because of thing besides how good they were as players. And Haley and some others are not in BECAUSE they gave the current vermin incrusted POS mediots what they deserve.

Gameover · 02-01-2013

I don't think he belongs.

The Cowboys won the 1995 Championship Game without him.

Manster54 · 02-01-2013

I do think Haley should eventually be inducted into the hall of fame (but I think LA should get the nod between the two this time around) and I think JJ tried to help Haley's cause by inducting him into the ring of honor.

I liked what Broaddus said about how it was a travesty to Cowboys history for Haley to be inducted into the ring of honor before Beautiful Harvey Martin. I still think Martin was the best pass rusher to wear the star.

Future · 02-01-2013

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No other player has five Super Bowl rings, and he played a big role in all five of them.

That said, he was a first-grade jerk, and in a year like this with so many deserving players, I'd bet he gets bumped back another year.

Agreed.

Masturbation habits and being a poor teammate aside, the guy was a nightmare for opposing offenses and has more Super Bowl rings than anyone. He'll get in.

joseephuss · 02-01-2013

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I absolutely believe that some of the choices of the last 10 years (Warren Moon for example) got in and should NOT have because of thing besides how good they were as players. And Haley and some others are not in BECAUSE they gave the current vermin incrusted POS mediots what they deserve.

Warren Moon is a poor example. When he retired he was ranked 3rd in passing yards and 4th in TD passes. He also had a good passer rating, so it was not just about accumulating stats like a Drew Bledsoe or Vinny Testaverde. Moon was deserving on his merits of what he did in the NFL.

jimmy40 · 02-01-2013

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Warren Moon is a poor example. When he retired he was ranked 3rd in passing yards and 4th in TD passes. He also had a good passer rating, so it was not just about accumulating stats like a Drew Bledsoe or Vinny Testaverde. Moon was deserving on his merits of what he did in the NFL.

Moon absolutely belongs in the HOF.

nickjamesw43 · 02-01-2013

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Warren Moon is a poor example. When he retired he was ranked 3rd in passing yards and 4th in TD passes. He also had a good passer rating, so it was not just about accumulating stats like a Drew Bledsoe or Vinny Testaverde. Moon was deserving on his merits of what he did in the NFL.

Burm was referencing Moon's off the field stuff. Here's a sampling:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...t-worthy/5290/

A pair of 1995 incidents should likewise have weighed against Moon. First, he reached an out-of court settlement with a former Vikings cheerleader who alleged that the quarterback had harassed her and forced her to have sex with him. Moon was married and had four children at the time.

Then, according to police in Missouri City, Texas, Moon allegedly struck his wife Felicia in the head and choked her to the point that she was nearly unconscious. He fought the charges of assault in a subsequent jury trial and was acquitted after Felicia told a different story than she had originally. She testified that the argument was her fault and that her injuries may have been self-inflicted.

Not to mention in 2007 he was arrested on suspicion of DUI (charges were later reduced to reckless driving).

5Stars · 02-01-2013

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Moon absolutely belongs in the HOF.

percyhoward · 02-01-2013

Haley has better credentials than Dent or Dean, who are already in.