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02-05-2013
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Merril Hoge Says Joe Flacco Is The Best NFL QB W/O a Question
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02-05-2013
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Wow, even better than Eli?

Despite labeling myself a "realist", no one understands my pain or appreciates my special truth. Stupid world.
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02-05-2013
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#3
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Hoge, Deion, Shannon Sharpe and some others can all float away to an island and have their fantasy land NFL show that no one ever sees for all I care. Just idiots. Merrill, your tie knots are getting bigger by the day.
I think Flacco was awesome and he took a large step up. If he was saying that Flacco belongs there to end the season...fine. But an outright.."best in NFL" is just plain dumb.
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02-05-2013
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Hodge works for ESPN, and this is what they want their guys to do, because you are talking about him. As for Deion, I just think he is an idiot.
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02-05-2013
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Well, he's a winner. The questions are what makes him one. As far as raw talent goes he's not in the top tier. But it's not raw talent that makes a QB able to direct teams to wins.
Complicated subject with a large number of variables to consider.
If Romo and he were on the same team which one would get the most out of the talent around him?
Did you know there are only 5000 Snow Leopards in the wild now and they are confined to Central Asia? However, the effective global population (those likely to reproduce) is less than half that number.
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02-05-2013
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I'll give Flacco this: he played better than any other QB for three games in this year's playoffs.
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02-05-2013
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Flacco does not do as well in the season. Which makes him less than elite and certainly NOT the best in the NFL.
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02-05-2013
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Is this the one where Hassellbeck busted him out for having RGIII in the top 10. He was saying that RG can't even walk, and you have him in your top ten. He goes on about he is that good. What a joke.
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02-05-2013
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#9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burmafrd
Flacco does not do as well in the season. Which makes him less than elite and certainly NOT the best in the NFL.
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Haven't you used the exact opposite of this against other players and/or teams?
What's your standard, burm? Undefeated for eternity?
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02-05-2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoofbite
Haven't you used the exact opposite of this against other players and/or teams?
What's your standard, burm? Undefeated for eternity?
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now don't get your panties in a wad hoof
UNtill Flacco can smoke at least comparibly in the regular season he is not elite.
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02-05-2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by panchucko
Is this the one where Hassellbeck busted him out for having RGIII in the top 10. He was saying that RG can't even walk, and you have him in your top ten. He goes on about he is that good. What a joke.
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I didn't see it but I'd take guys like Hasselbeck and Dilfer's opinion 10x over Hodge--especially regarding QBs. He has no business even giving an opinion compared to those guys.
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02-05-2013
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#12
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Flacco played out of his mind.... He's legit.
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02-06-2013
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Flacco is a top 5 QB for sure. Best...ehh...
I am not sure I would take him over Brady, P. Manning, Brees, or Rodgers.
Top 5 though.
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02-06-2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps
Flacco is a top 5 QB for sure. Best...ehh...
I am not sure I would take him over Brady, P. Manning, Brees, or Rodgers.
Top 5 though.
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And nobody should take him over those QBs.
Those guys carry their teams regularly. They are the driving force behind those teams year in and year out. They don't do it all by themselves or every single week but for a majority of the time, they are the team.
Flacco's numbers don't compare to the guys above. Yards, Completion Percentage, TDs......all pretty much mid-to-late teens in terms of league rank.
The one thing he does do well that is probably the most impressive is protect the football. Averages about 11 INTs per season which is good, especially for a guy who started straight out of the gate as a rookie.
Being you said Top 5 I'm guessing you are saying he's right behind those guys and to that, I'm not so sure.
Matt Ryan has done more than Flacco and they came out in the same draft.
Ruthlessraper is ahead of him, IMO.
Production-wise, Matt Schaub is right there with Flacco even having missed a good number of games.
- Flacco's Career: 1507/2489 (60.5%), 17,633 Yards, 102 TDs, 56 INTs
- Schaub (Same Span): 1540/2373 (65.9%), 18,670 Yards, 105 TDs, 55 INTs
Schaub has played in 12 less games.
And I'll say it right now, if RG3 and Wilson repeat their rookie performances, I'd move them ahead of Flacco too if Flacco turns in another season like he has for the first 5 years of his career.
Flacco deserves tons of praise for his playoff performance, no doubt. He stepped up big time but that doesn't move him above everyone that was in front of him all the way to the Top. Not even Top 5. I'd rank him behind Ryan and Pig Pen after seeing his SB run. Big Ben has the trophies as well and his numbers are right there with Flacco's in the past 5 years while missing games.
Matt Ryan has simply outplayed Flacco, no two ways around it. I would concede Schaub even though Schaub has basically done what Flacco has but the playoff performance warrants that.
And when you consider the supporting cast that Flacco has had, it's hard to argue that he's ever been relied upon to be the man on that team with any sort of regularity. In 4 of the 5 seasons he has played the Ravens defense has ranked #3 overall in points allowed. Every year but this year and they were 12th this year. He's never been asked to do much because the defense is shutting people down. Not to mention he has the support of a good running game every year.
He really stepped it up but before this postseason run, he was pretty average in a lot of ways, starting with his sub-60 completion percentage for the last two seasons and a 60.5% completion percentage for his career.
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02-06-2013
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wow, he sounds like nothing more than a fanboy. How do you maintain credibility as a professional analyst when you say stuff like this.
I like Flacco a lot. I think what he did this year was tremendous. But best in the league????? are you serious????
You're a playoff caliber team and your guy just went down in the off season and you have a ton of cap space and there are a few free agent QB's available (this is hypothetical so bear with me).
Your choices are:
Joe Flacco
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Who in their right mind is taking Flacco????
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