Which Cowboy Veteran would you like to see in the HOF?

[percyhoward]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

What hurts Drew is Tony Hill has better numbers.

Drew has much better numbers. What hurts him is the same thing that hurts Harris and Martin: The Cowboys losing two close Super Bowls to the Steelers in the 70s. We're told that if the Cowboys wanted the recognition, they should have won those games.

Funny how it doesn't stop borderline guys who have never been to Super Bowls from getting in, though.

Drew Pearson
3 Pro Bowls
3 All-Pro 1st team
All-Decade Team
Top 5 Seasons
rec 2
yds 3
TD 0

Tony Hill
3 Pro Bowls
0 All-Pro 1st team
Top 5 Seasons
rec 0
yds 0
TD 1

[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by percyhoward

Drew has much better numbers. What hurts him is the same thing that hurts Harris and Martin: The Cowboys losing two close Super Bowls to the Steelers in the 70s. We're told that if the Cowboys wanted the recognition, they should have won those games.

Funny how it doesn't stop borderline guys who have never been to Super Bowls from getting in, though.

Drew Pearson
3 Pro Bowls
3 All-Pro 1st team
All-Decade Team
Top 5 Seasons
rec 2
yds 3
TD 0

Tony Hill
3 Pro Bowls
0 All-Pro 1st team
Top 5 Seasons
rec 0
yds 0
TD 1

Funny also that it didn't stop borderline guys from the 70's Vikings and 90's Bills teams from getting in.

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Originally Posted by percyhoward

...No team has been snubbed to the degree that the Cowboys have, and it's not even close...

Amen bro!

This is why I wish the voting was public and done by a larger committee.

I'd LOVE for the past voting and comments to go public to identify sports writers that simply hate the Cowboys and others.

I've heard Landry era players not get in: "the depth of the Cowboys made them seem great...", yet that don't use that against the only team of that era that may have had greater depth - the Steelers.

Can't the selection committee remember it's not a team but an individual they are considering?

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Trivia question on Chuck Howley: He got a unique SB honor? What was it?

[Lonestar94]

Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

Trivia question on Chuck Howley: He got a unique SB honor? What was it?

Only MVP in SB history on the losing team!

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

CORRECT!

[percyhoward]

Originally Posted by Diogenes

Funny also that it didn't stop borderline guys from the 70's Vikings and 90's Bills teams from getting in.

I counted these types of players for all teams, even teams that did not win a Super Bowl, or even play in a Super Bowl. The minimum criteria were simply an AP 1st team All-Pro selection and 5 Pro Bowls. (An All-Decade Team selection could be substituted for the 5 Pro Bowls).

Even leaving rings out of the equation (which makes no sense to do anyway and was only done to prove a point), the Cowboys still have more of these players than any other team. The number of players with rings is in parentheses.

Cowboys 14 (13)
Broncos 12 (4)
Chiefs 11 (2)
Bills 10 (0)
Rams 9 (0)
Dolphins 8 (5)
49ers 8 (3)
Raiders 8 (3)
Steelers 8 (3)
Vikings 8 (0)
Bears 6 (2)
Titans/Oilers 6 (0)
Eagles 5 (0)
Falcons 5 (0)
Giants 5 (3)
Jets 5 (0)
Lions 5 (0)
Packers 5 (3)
Browns 4 (0)
Bucs 4 (3)
Colts 4 (1)
Redskins 4 (2)
Cardinals 3 (0)
Patriots 3 (0)
Chargers 2 (0)
Saints 1 (0)
Seahawks 1 (0)
Jaguars 1 (0)
Ravens 1 (0)
Panthers 1 (0)

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by percyhoward

Drew has much better numbers. What hurts him is the same thing that hurts Harris and Martin: The Cowboys losing two close Super Bowls to the Steelers in the 70s. We're told that if the Cowboys wanted the recognition, they should have won those games.

Funny how it doesn't stop borderline guys who have never been to Super Bowls from getting in, though.

Drew Pearson
3 Pro Bowls
3 All-Pro 1st team
All-Decade Team
Top 5 Seasons
rec 2
yds 3
TD 0

Tony Hill
3 Pro Bowls
0 All-Pro 1st team
Top 5 Seasons
rec 0
yds 0
TD 1

Pearson 156 games, 489 rec, 7822 yards, 16.0 ypc, 48 TD, 3.1 rpg, 50.1 ypg

Hill 141 games, 479 rec, 7988 yards, 16.7 ypc, 51 TD, 3.4 rpg, 56.7 ypg

[percyhoward]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Pearson 156 games, 489 rec, 7822 yards, 16.0 ypc, 48 TD, 3.1 rpg, 50.1 ypg

Hill 141 games, 479 rec, 7988 yards, 16.7 ypc, 51 TD, 3.4 rpg, 56.7 ypg

Cross-era confusion.

Hill's best yardage years, he ranked 7th, 7th, and 9th. In Pearson's best years, he ranked 1st, 2nd, and 5th.

Hill's best reception years, he ranked 9th, 12th, and 16th. In Pearson's best years, he ranked 3rd, 4th, and 9th.

That's why Hill was never a 1st team All-Pro and Pearson made it three times, and why Pearson made the HOF's All-Decade Team of the 70s and Hill did not make the Team of the 80s.

[Hook'em#11]

Drew Pearson.

[xwalker]

I find the Hall of Fall voting process to be somewhat of a Sham.

Any process that has the president of the man-boy love association (Rick Gosselin) as a voter is flawed.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

Harvey

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by percyhoward

No team has been snubbed to the degree that the Cowboys have, and it's not even close.

Please prove this isn't hyerbole.

[Reverend Conehead]

Chuck Howley, Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris, Charlie Waters, Jay Novacek.

[percyhoward]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

Please prove this isn't hyperbole.

See post #37