Future Salary Cap Hell (or not)

[skinsscalper]

Just be glad we're not the Steelers. You want to see some blood-letting? Watch that organization squirm come March.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by The Quest for Six

It's been reported by Todd Archer that 2015,16 and 17 is going to be an issue with the cap for Dallas...you can restructure contracts but at some point you're going to have to pay the piper with regards to the Cap.

exactly...and that is what most are missing....future years Dallas is limited because the cap will NOT be expanding. This team is not 'one player' away. So to extend all these contracts Dallas maintains status quo with future limitations on going after FA. Its Jerry being short sighted and once again grossly over-valuing his current roster.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Wood

exactly...and that is what most are missing....future years Dallas is limited because the cap will NOT be expanding. This team is not 'one player' away. So to extend all these contracts Dallas maintains status quo with future limitations on going after FA. Its Jerry being short sighted and once again grossly over-valuing his current roster.

The point of the post was that those reports are wrong or misleading. The amount of guaranteed money currently on the books for 2015, 2016, and 2017 is minimal and is less than the 2014 amounts that I posted.

The fact the Jay Ratliff has a 10M base salary in 2017 but Zero in prorated bonus money is an example of misleading.

[Mr Cowboy]

Originally Posted by The Quest for Six

It's been reported by Todd Archer that 2015,16 and 17 is going to be an issue with the cap for Dallas...you can restructure contracts but at some point you're going to have to pay the piper with regards to the Cap.

If the cap stays what it is now, it sure will. But the new TV contrats and new money that comes with it kicks in, the cap is expected to swell after the 2013 season. You will still have to pay the piper, but the effect won't be as severe. That is unless Mara comes up with a new creative way to screw us.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by xwalker

The point of the post was that those reports are wrong or misleading. The amount of guaranteed money currently on the books for 2015, 2016, and 2017 is minimal and is less than the 2014 amounts that I posted.

The fact the Jay Ratliff has a 10M base salary in 2017 but Zero in prorated bonus money is an example of misleading.

current cap (2013) will be about 121.5 million. The projected cap for 2015 is about 123 million. In other words the salary cap will be flat for next three years.

Part of this comes from union deal with owners that shifted 7 million from future years into 2012 salary cap because of so many free agents in 2012 and low cap would have shifted all leverage to owners. Add on that teams were rolling over unused cap dollars into 2012 so 'excess' going forward has largely evaporated.

In other words....teams better make smart financial sense or they will be penalized heavily over next few years as there is no expanding salary cap to bail out poor decisions on signing/extending large contracts. Buyer beware.

[Little Jr]

The one thing I've learned about the cap is media and fans really don't know anything. Lol. Except for adam ofcourse. I pay attention to him and stephen jones. If they are not worried then I'm not worried.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

xwalker -- I wanna say that I appreciate what you do here.

Over and over presenting actual data. Actual information. It is a shame that it falls on deaf ears. It is a shame that people ignore facts.

Seconded. He's a great poster.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by xwalker

The point is about how much commitment the Cowboys have in guaranteed money.

That is pointless. The guaranteed money will change drastically once they extend Romo and Carr. Much less anyone else.

You are basically ignoring 30m and acting like you have a great point to make here.

I generally find what you post useful and on point but this is just childs play.

Dallas has to worry about this cap for 2013. How they deal with it will largely dictate any potential cap issues down the road. If they are as quick to restructure everyone as the fan base of course they'll have cap issues.

As to the knuckleheads on this forum, claiming money is never an issue... they are clearly delusional. We have went multiple season stretches signing nothing but spares and bought cheap players instead of marquee names because we do in fact have a salary cap.

Anyone who thinks we'd have the same team minus a salary cap as we do with one can argue money cap money doesn't matter. Otherwise they don't even believe the garbage they are spewing themselves.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by Little Jr

The one thing I've learned about the cap is media and fans really don't know anything. Lol. Except for adam ofcourse. I pay attention to him and stephen jones. If they are not worried then I'm not worried.

Stephen is on record many times saying the cap is an issue this year. He referenced it again yesterday with regards to having to get a deal done with Romo because it.

It isn't like the Cowboys are going to fold the team.

But they are certainly limited in their free agent pursuits and have to make tough calls based upon cap dollars.

[jterrell]

BTW, virtually every team has a cap problem when they lose their franchise QB to retirement or release.

It makes sense for Dallas to push cap hell into that season much like the Colts did.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by jterrell

That is pointless. The guaranteed money will change drastically once they extend Romo and Carr. Much less anyone else.

You are basically ignoring 30m and acting like you have a great point to make here.

I generally find what you post useful and on point but this is just childs play.

Dallas has to worry about this cap for 2013. How they deal with it will largely dictate any potential cap issues down the road. If they are as quick to restructure everyone as the fan base of course they'll have cap issues.

As to the knuckleheads on this forum, claiming money is never an issue... they are clearly delusional. We have went multiple season stretches signing nothing but spares and bought cheap players instead of marquee names because we do in fact have a salary cap.

[View Full Quote]Anyone who thinks we'd have the same team minus a salary cap as we do with one can argue money cap money doesn't matter. Otherwise they don't even believe the garbage they are spewing themselves.

I stated in the original post that some contracts would radically change after restructuring and affect the 2014 cap.

The point was that there is room to move 2013 money into 2014 and beyond because there is not that much committed there currently.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by xwalker

I stated in the original post that some contracts would radically change after restructuring and affect the 2014 cap.

The point was that there is room to move 2013 money into 2014 and beyond because there is not that much committed there currently.

And again, you really do not have much of a point. It is the money shifted to those years that will add up not the few expiring dollars left on old contracts.

The better way to look at this is total committed dollars in those seasons. Not guaranteed but committed.

For 2014 Dallas is already well over 80M committed. We KNOW they'll push more money into 2014 with Romo/Ware AT LEAST. That's minus ANY free agents or rookies.

Yea, they can cut many of those guys for small cap hits but when you have to cut because of the cap that is the definition of cap issues.

How much will Sean Lee cost us next year? Dallas has a lot of money owed and it does mean needing to get bargains as often as possible.

IF you have 19 players signed and spend 2/3 of your cap you aren't in good shape AT ALL. That's 40 minimum wage players to fill out a dang roster. But when you have guys with bases over 10m this stuff adds up fast.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by jterrell

And again, you really do not have much of a point. It is the money shifted to those years that will add up not the few expiring dollars left on old contracts.

The better way to look at this is total committed dollars in those seasons. Not guaranteed but committed.

For 2014 Dallas is already well over 80M committed. We KNOW they'll push more money into 2014 with Romo/Ware AT LEAST. That's minus ANY free agents or rookies.

Yea, they can cut many of those guys for small cap hits but when you have to cut because of the cap that is the definition of cap issues.

How much will Sean Lee cost us next year? Dallas has a lot of money owed and it does mean needing to get bargains as often as possible.

IF you have 19 players signed and spend 2/3 of your cap you aren't in good shape AT ALL. That's 40 minimum wage players to fill out a dang roster. But when you have guys with bases over 10m this stuff adds up fast.

They can eliminate $32,150,000.00 without the following players in 2014:

(these are just base salaries and are completely off the books if cut)

$5,500,000.00 Miles Austin
$3,500,000.00 Orlando Scandrick
$8,000,000.00 Doug Free
$5,500,000.00 Jay Ratliff
$2,250,000.00 Mackenzy Bernadeau
$3,400,000.00 Nate Livings
$4,000,000.00 Gerald Sensabaugh

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by xwalker

They can eliminate $32,150,000.00 without the following players in 2014:

(these are just base salaries and are completely off the books if cut)

$5,500,000.00 Miles Austin
$3,500,000.00 Orlando Scandrick
$8,000,000.00 Doug Free
$5,500,000.00 Jay Ratliff
$2,250,000.00 Mackenzy Bernadeau
$3,400,000.00 Nate Livings
$4,000,000.00 Gerald Sensabaugh

Of course they can. Are you suggesting the replacements for those guys come for free?

That's 6 starters and our nickel CB as of right this second.
Cutting them is/would be a cap move.

There is a middle ground where reality is.

Dallas isn't going to cut Tony Romo and start Mike Kafka to make it under the cap and they aren't going to just sign the guys they'd like to.

They'll do what they have for the past few season and try to get by with some young guys who are unproven and add some cheap free agents like Brodney Pool, Bern, Livings.

They are very unlikely to go get a Brandon Carr type this off-season because that would put tremendous pressure on them going forward.

End of the day the guaranteed money thing was found misleading. We know they are going to guarantee at least 30m and possibly as much as 90m(Carr, Romo, Ware, Spencer, Miles et al) this off-season.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Of course they can. Are you suggesting the replacements for those guys come for free?

That's 6 starters and our nickel CB as of right this second.
Cutting them is/would be a cap move.

There is a middle ground where reality is.

Dallas isn't going to cut Tony Romo and start Mike Kafka to make it under the cap and they aren't going to just sign the guys they'd like to.

They'll do what they have for the past few season and try to get by with some young guys who are unproven and add some cheap free agents like Brodney Pool, Bern, Livings.

They are very unlikely to go get a Brandon Carr type this off-season because that would put tremendous pressure on them going forward.

End of the day the guaranteed money thing was found misleading. We know they are going to guarantee at least 30m and possibly as much as 90m(Carr, Romo, Ware, Spencer, Miles et al) this off-season.

I don't know where you're coming up with 90M.

They will take about 12M of Carr's 2013 base and convert it into a restructure bonus which will be spread out over 4 years. That is 3M added to 2014.

Estimated restructure additions to 2014:

Carr: 3M
Ware: 2M
Austin: 1.5M
Witten: 1M
Spencer: Doubtful to be re-signed
Romo: ? New Contract