Is OL really that bad?

[jason54858]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

LT Tyron is really young. There are rookies in the first round who will be older than him. He will be fine.

LG Livings, The weak link of the group IMO. Needs to be replaced

C Costa, In his very limited time you could tell it was nite and day from 2011. He's going to be good. Only question is, can he stay healthy.

RG Bernadeau, He's getting better and i think he could become Kosier type solid.

RT Parnell, IDK here. Dallas has put in time with him and some money with his contract. Id like to see a rookie drafted to challenge.

Im assuming you got the Livings/ Bernadeau opinion reversed. I'm I wrong?

[DABOYZ]

O-line is bad but the playcalling doesn't help. Can't constantly run vertical routes with holes in the line.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by DABOYZ

O-line is bad but the playcalling doesn't help. Can't constantly run vertical routes with holes in the line.

Yeah all we did was run deep posts and go patterns....

I must have been deluded when I saw a ton of hitches, slants, comebacks and the like to Dez, Witten and Austin.

[Vinnie2u]

I think the defensive line has been neglected more than the OL. Rat 7th round. Linsemore 7 th round. Hatcher 4th. Crawford 3rd. Spears 1st but he's gone.

[texbumthelife]

I do not really recall at this point why, but I remember being impressed with the running game and blocking while Cook was in at C. Am I remembering incorrectly? Anyone else think he was an upgrade?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by texbumthelife

I do not really recall at this point why, but I remember being impressed with the running game and blocking while Cook was in at C. Am I remembering incorrectly? Anyone else think he was an upgrade?

I think Cook was awful. He got stood up a lot and showed limited quickness even in the box he was given. When DT are in the backfield it is hard to run the ball.

[texbumthelife]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I think Cook was awful. He got stood up a lot and showed limited quickness even in the box he was given. When DT are in the backfield it is hard to run the ball.

I think it was his ability to pull that impressed me. I remember seeing him pull on a few sweeps and really doing a good job. That may be his only strength.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by texbumthelife

I think it was his ability to pull that impressed me. I remember seeing him pull on a few sweeps and really doing a good job. That may be his only strength.

cook was at least decent pass blocking - that was about the limit of what he was good at

[honyock]

I'd think that better guard play will make a pretty big difference. I hope that half of that comes with a high draft pick who can start day one.

I thought Livings looked better than Berny, but that sure isn't a universal opinion. One thing about Bernadeau, he probably has a bigger upside than Livings. He was coming off injuries and surgery, so maybe he is more solid if he gets to the season healthy. With Livings, what we saw is probably more what we'll continue to see. He got smoked by quickness too often.

I'd expect that we'll get an OT in FA as a backup/insurance if Parnell can't cut it (and I thought Parnell looked pretty good in his audition late in the year). I'm expecting Costa, Kowalski and Berny to fight it out at center.

[rwalters31]

Originally Posted by Little Jr

Its not as bad as many on here to make it out to be.

You are wrong! It is that bad! So bad that Romo is dead man walking just waiting for the time to go down with an injury. Neeeeeeeed three OL in the center of line.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by texbumthelife

I do not really recall at this point why, but I remember being impressed with the running game and blocking while Cook was in at C. Am I remembering incorrectly? Anyone else think he was an upgrade?

Cook played all but 3 (13 of 16) games at Center. He was decent in pass-blocking. Maybe as good as anybody; however, his run blocking is terrible. He is too tall to consistently play with good leverage and too slow to get to many blocks in space.

Costa played 1 game (Baltimore) and the run blocking looked great; however, it was just 1 game AND he has had multiple injury issues in his short career.

Bernadeau played 2 games at Center. I made a post about my review of his 1st start at Center in week 11. He was really impressive at Center. Having the ball in his hands an knowing exactly when it would be snapped seemed to help him.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by jrcowboys

Guys:

Hear me out. I know OL was bad this year, but the question is: Can this group be fixed? Do they have the raw physical talent to get the job done?

Remember the two new OG were hurt all off season and never had a chance to work with S&C coach. Also, OC was hurt all year. In fact the entire OL came together only a week before the season started. Note: also one OG had knee surgery right after the season.

So do we start over or can an off season of healthy folks working with the S&C coach and the OL coach fix the problem? Note: excluding RT (Free, don't know what his problem is).

Disclaimer: I know we need to draft at least one or maybe two OL pretty high in any case.

Thoughts?

JR

Just having Parnell replace Free will be a big upgrade, IMO. He is big with long arms and is both quicker and stronger than Free. He just needs to keep getting experience. Having a veteran RG next to him will be critical, IMO.

At Center they must replace Cook to have any chance of a decent running game. Cook was good at pass-blocking but just can't run block. He has issues with leverage due to his height and he is very slow footed. They have options with Costa, Kowalski and Bernadeau.

Either Livings or Bernadeau could be serviceable Guards if they were on an OLine with 4 really good players; however, in 2012 they were on an OLine with a terrible run-blocking Center and a big mess at RT in Doug Free.

The minimum upgrade OLine this year would be better than the 2012 OLine, IMO.

Minimum upgrade OLine:
LT - Smith
LG - Livings
OC - Costa/Kowalski
RG - Bernadeau
RT - Parnell

Adding 1 good OG would be the next step. Cooper or Warmack in the draft would be instant upgrades.

Since Free Agency comes before the draft, I would really like it if they added RG Brandon Moore (Jets) in Free Agency. That would give them a solid veteran next to Parnell that is an expert in Callahan's scheme. It would allow Bernadeau to get into the competition at OC which appears to be a better position for him.

[BHendri5]

The OL was not that good, because the right players were not in the right spot, or healthy to play.

[honyock]

Originally Posted by xwalker

The minimum upgrade OLine this year would be better than the 2012 OLine, IMO.

Minimum upgrade OLine:
LT - Smith
LG - Livings
OC - Costa/Kowalski
RG - Bernadeau
RT - Parnell

Adding 1 good OG would be the next step. Cooper or Warmack in the draft would be instant upgrades.

Hey xwalker, if we draft a guard high (say Cooper), where would you put him? At LG, moving Livings to RG next to Parnell and let Bernadeau compete at center?

[LatinMind]

Originally Posted by jason54858

Im assuming you got the Livings/ Bernadeau opinion reversed. I'm I wrong?

no you read right. bernadeau struggled some but not as bad as livings. livings was a disaster. a former scout in broaddus agrees.



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