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JeffInDC · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

10 Million? Really?

Unfortunately, that's probably the market. Just like the CB's last year.

TheSport78 · 02-20-2013

Let.him.walk

**Idgit** · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by CowboysLaw87

Interesting. That's about the ballpark I was thinking as well. Where did you see/hear Woy say this? Thanks.

It was on a local radio interview back right before Valentines (Feb 11th/12th?). The jocks threw out $8M? $9M? And he responded 'more than that.' And then that he was cautiously optimistic a deal could get done. Not a lot to go on. I can dig up the link later when I've got a bit more time if you can't find it readily. It was really pretty much a surface conversation because we'd only had very preliminary talks at that point.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by JeffInDC

Unfortunately, that's probably the market. Just like the CB's last year.

Not in my opinion. I mean, I have no doubt that's what he's going to want. However, there is no way that I would do that. I mean, you could Franchise him for that.

CowboysLaw87 · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Not in my opinion. I mean, I have no doubt that's what he's going to want. However, there is no way that I would do that. I mean, you could Franchise him for that.

Only technically. With the tag, we'd actually be paying him 10.6M this year, and the cap hit would reflect that exactly. If we extend him, it might average 10M/year but a lot of it would be in that last year or 2 (which he may not see, or at which time the NFL salary cap will be much higher). The cap hit would be much lower these next couple of years. To me, we either lose him or extend him. The tag is a bit of a lose, lose.

kirkjrk · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Not in my opinion. I mean, I have no doubt that's what he's going to want. However, there is no way that I would do that. I mean, you could Franchise him for that.

Any chance we franchise him then trade for a 2nd or 3rd? Need to get something for these players instead of letting them just walk?

FuzzyLumpkins · 02-20-2013

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We gave Ware a 7 for 78 deal when he was 27. Granted it's still a sweet deal because he got 40 guaranteed and thats where the real issue is.

If we do more than 8 or so per for Spencer, with a deal any longer than 4 years (he's 30) and about 15 guaranteed (he's incredibly inconsistent) we are making a monster of a mistake.

He just turned 29 he will see 29, 30, 31, 32 on a 4 year contract. That is pretty much prime. He has been consistently on the field missing only 6 games in 6 years with us. He has been consistent against the run and in coverage and has been getting pressure for years now. He only recently cashed in on the Almost situation.

I agree with Sturm on this one letting Spencer go is like running as hard as you can just to stay in place. Resoing Spencer, Restructure Romo, Carr, Witten cut dead weight like Conner, Free et al. And see what you have left over. See if you have enough left over to pick a OG, RT, DT or safety. Add RB to that list and start looking in the draft.

The only rub here is if Marinelli and Kiffin think he can do it and do it wwell. 4-3 that is.

FuzzyLumpkins · 02-20-2013

And let's be clear this would be like paying top dollar to one of the most importatn pieces to a defense -a rushing DL that is stout against the run and can play the pass as well--. This isn't spending $10, on a good TE or $12m on a guard.

Pass rushers especially very versatile passrushers are hard to find. When you look for guys with the same skillsets there are maybe 4 or 5 guys in the league that can do what Spencer does

Woods · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

He just turned 29 he will see 29, 30, 31, 32 on a 4 year contract. That is pretty much prime. He has been consistently on the field missing only 6 games in 6 years with us. He has been consistent against the run and in coverage and has been getting pressure for years now. He only recently cashed in on the Almost situation.

I agree with Sturm on this one letting Spencer go is like running as hard as you can just to stay in place. Resoing Spencer, Restructure Romo, Carr, Witten cut dead weight like Conner, Free et al. And see what you have left over. See if you have enough left over to pick a OG, RT, DT or safety. Add RB to that list and start looking in the draft.

The only rub here is if Marinelli and Kiffin think he can do it and do it wwell. 4-3 that is.

I agree with you.

We should attempt to keep our top players and cut very average players like Spears, Free, Connor to make space. Plus we can restructure Carr, Witten, and Ware.

Woods · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

And let's be clear this would be like paying top dollar to one of the most importatn pieces to a defense -a rushing DL that is stout against the run and can play the pass as well--. This isn't spending $10, on a good TE or $12m on a guard.

Pass rushers especially very versatile passrushers are hard to find. When you look for guys with the same skillsets there are maybe 4 or 5 guys in the league that can do what Spencer does

I don't think many realise how good a player Spencer is. I think he is a great fit for the 43.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by CowboysLaw87

Only technically. With the tag, we'd actually be paying him 10.6M this year, and the cap hit would reflect that exactly. If we extend him, it might average 10M/year but a lot of it would be in that last year or 2 (which he may not see, or at which time the NFL salary cap will be much higher). The cap hit would be much lower these next couple of years. To me, we either lose him or extend him. The tag is a bit of a lose, lose.

Where did you get 10.6? Regardless, what's the advantage of paying 10.6 and laying down a long term contract for 10 m plus Guaranteed money long term? I mean, that would be ridiculous. The cap is not expected to raise very much at all in the next 5 years. It's flat and you can't push guaranteed money into the last 2 years and then not pay it. If you Tag him, your not committed long term and the cap hit is gone after this year. No, long term for 10 million plus is the loser IMO.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by kirkjrk

Any chance we franchise him then trade for a 2nd or 3rd? Need to get something for these players instead of letting them just walk?

We could do a sign and trade. That is possible.

FuzzyLumpkins · 02-20-2013

I thought the cap was going to be flat for only 2 or 3 years and then be untethered.

Sean50Lee · 02-20-2013

We need him more then we know, but with how much money he's asking its not going work out.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 02-20-2013

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I thought the cap was going to be flat for only 2 or 3 years and then be untethered.

Not what I heard. Never the less, it's not going to raise at the rate we would need it to to pay for a 10 Million long term contract for Spencer and whatever we have to cough up for Romo's extension, not to mention all of the younger players we have coming up in the near future. I just don't see how that could happen.