Barkley at #18?

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by SWG9

Ah, so you believe a team should draft for need? Say no more. Thanks for the response.

Not at all.
But all else equal...and btw, I don't remotely think all "else would equal" wouldn't even need to be considered if taking Barkely at 18--then you do take what you need, of course.

My argument against Barkley hinges even more on BPA than it does on need, in other words. He may turn out to be great. But there is no scenario where he would be BPA, imo, at 18. I said maybe not even pick 47 for that reason. There may be a better player available even at 47. That's extreme, but possible.

I just looked at 12 mocks on Monday and 4 had him in the first round....1 had him 55th overall.
I don't go by those things too much, but just saying that many don't see him even in the 1st round, let alone 18.
Becasue of the postion he plays though, he could get picked ina non-BPA manner. That is not uncommon for reaches on QBs.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by TheFinisher

Matt Barkley went to USC. Cassell, Sanchez and Leinart went to USC. Therefore, Barkley is Cassell, Sanchez or Leinart.



The one legit negative for Barkley is he doesn't have elite arm strength, but outside of that he's as clean as it gets. And let's not act like his arm is Colt McCoy, Fitzpatrick or Pennington bad... it's way closer to Romo, Kurt Warner, etc. Arm strength is not as important as decision making, consistency and ball placement... all strengths for Barkley.

If he's put inside a rhythm and timing based offense like the Saints or Patriots run he'll be a 10 year starter and a highly productive QB.


[View Full Quote]He already disproved one big negative for him, his size. A lot of people were expecting him to be 6'1 or shorter and throught he didn't have ideal size. He checked in at nearly 6'3, 227lbs with a 10 1/8in hand... sounds like ideal NFL size to me.

Draftcountdown's scouting report:

• Accurate with impressive touch, timing and anticipation
• Technically sound with refined mechanics and footwork
• Able to read coverages and work through progressions
• Cool, calm and collected with superb pocket presence
• Shows ability to slide and maneuver within the pocket
• Accustomed to working under center in pro style system
• Outstanding intelligence with extremely high football IQ
• Excellent feel, awareness and understanding of game
• Mature, hard working and is a respected team leader
• A ton of experience against high-quality competition

You are the one who keeps bringing up arm strength as a negative in this thread. His arm is not strong, but that is hardly his problem.

I disagree greatly from that scouting report.
I don't think he has good anticipation.
He doesn't have good footwork when he has to slide around in the pocket.
I don't find him to be cool or calm or have good pocket presence.

I find the comparisons to other USC QBs to be quite accurate. Those guys have not prospered in the NFL due to some very similar faults. That happens when you are trained under the same basic conditions.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by SWG9

Barkley at #18?

[SWG9]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Clever analysis.

[SWG9]

The simple fact of the matter is that no one knows for a fact whether or not Barkley is going to be good or not. I happen to think he will be, others don't. Fine.

What I'm saying is this: The Cowboys have to kick the tires and do a full work up of Barkley. If they don't have a first round grade on him, fine, pass.

But if they do have a top 10 grade on him and he falls to #18, IMO, you have pull the trigger. It's a lot harder to do that if you've just locked Romo up to a long term extension.

There's no reason at all to rush into an extension before the draft.

BPA means BPA, no matter what the position.

[koolaid]

Originally Posted by SWG9

Just curious how many of you would consider Barkley at #18, provided that he actually does fall that far?

It's an interesting scenario, IMO. If the Cowboys do hold off on extending Romo and manage to get Barkley, they have a lot of leverage. They can let Romo play out this season without an extension and turn it over to Barkley in 2014. If they don't think Barkley is ready, they can franchise Romo in 2014. And if they think Barkley is a day one starter, they can explore the trade market for Romo this offseason.

Barkley's rookie contract will certainly be less money than Romo's extension.

This isn't about getting rid of Romo at all costs. I happen to think Romo's an excellent QB. But you're looking at it purely in terms of asset management, I think it's a pretty solid football move.

Let's be totally honest too; is it the worst thing in the world for Romo to be playing 2013 with a fire lit under his butt?

[View Full Quote]I've got some other thoughts on this, but I'm curious to see what the board thinks...

No thanks on Barkley. He wasn't very impressive last year even though he had two studs at WR. Also i'm not big on players from USC, especially qbs.

[MartinRamone]

No way, pass.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by SWG9

The simple fact of the matter is that no one knows for a fact whether or not Barkley is going to be good or not. I happen to think he will be, others don't. Fine.

What I'm saying is this: The Cowboys have to kick the tires and do a full work up of Barkley. If they don't have a first round grade on him, fine, pass.

But if they do have a top 10 grade on him and he falls to #18, IMO, you have pull the trigger. It's a lot harder to do that if you've just locked Romo up to a long term extension.

There's no reason at all to rush into an extension before the draft.

BPA means BPA, no matter what the position.

I am sure they are doing full work ups on Barkley and several other QBs. I doubt any of them have top 10 grades. And if he is available at 18, that doesn't mean he would be the BPA at that time. There could still be players at other positions or even another QB that is the BPA option over Barkley.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by SWG9

Clever analysis.

It was the perfect response to the thread title.

[tantrix1969]

ok but going by

Originally Posted by SWG9

BPA means BPA, no matter what the position.

whether we give Romo an extension or not should have nothing to do with it, that being said imo there are more than 18 in front of him going by bpa

[visionary]

i am not a fan of barkley and dont want to take him and do not htink he is BPA at 18

however, esp given the position of QB, if our scouts really believe he is BPA at 18 we should take him

i would hate it but if he becomes a 10 year elite QB for us, we will all come to love the pick

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by SWG9

The simple fact of the matter is that no one knows for a fact whether or not Barkley is going to be good or not. I happen to think he will be, others don't. Fine.

What I'm saying is this: The Cowboys have to kick the tires and do a full work up of Barkley. If they don't have a first round grade on him, fine, pass.

But if they do have a top 10 grade on him and he falls to #18, IMO, you have pull the trigger. It's a lot harder to do that if you've just locked Romo up to a long term extension.

There's no reason at all to rush into an extension before the draft.

BPA means BPA, no matter what the position.

No one will have a top 10 grade on Barkley. He isn't that good of a prospect.
He will be overdrafted because teams are desperate but the fact KC already made a trade for Alex Smith shows what they think about the franchise QBs in this draft class.

The ONLY way Barkley makes any sense for Dallas is if we trade the pick to someone else who is QB hungry.

You can't draft Barkley for leverage because we have too many holes and can't afford to play those silly games with Romo. Extend him, cut him or let him play it out. But drafting Barkley gives us no additional power and one less key asset for whoever is at QB the next decade.

[coogrfan]

Terrible idea. We simply cannot afford to use our first round pick on a player who will not see the field in 2013.

[Sean50Lee]

He's better than what you guys are giving him credit for,with that being said I wouldn't draft him

[jcollins28]

Hell no! Not even in the last round.