Denver to release Dumervil

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

#1 He has played on the strong side before.
#2 I don't think the money is guaranteed if he is traded. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.

Dumervil isn't going to stop the run as a strong side end. He's 5-11 260 and that has never been his thing. Denver had him on the weak side end for a reason. Of course Spencer's money is guaranteed, another team would want him to agree to a new contract.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by dadymat

didnt say he was negotiating, I said reports say he is willing to negotiate,....and thats the reporting ive heard supposedly from his people....I dont if its right or wrong.....either way Spencer isnt gonna cost us $12 million we dont have

No, Spencer is costing us 10 million this year, and probably wants upwards of that per year. I'd much rather spend the extra 2 million on Dumervil, not that we would have to pay him 12 million this year (please see Brandon Carr).

Trade Spencer for a 2nd or 3rd (whatever it takes to trade him and get value) and then sign Dumervil to a 12 million a year deal (which is cheap for his skill level). Just needs to be more cap friendly than Mario Williams deal.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Dumervil isn't going to stop the run as a strong side end. He's 5-11 260 and that has never been his thing. Denver had him on the weak side end for a reason. Of course Spencer's money is guaranteed, another team would want him to agree to a new contract.

You put your best pass rusher on the weak side, which is why he was there. That being said he has been moved around the line, and has been on the strong side before. You can ignore that reality, which is fine, but it doesn't strengthen your argument.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

You put your best pass rusher on the weak side, which is why he was there. That being said he has been moved around the line, and has been on the strong side before. You can ignore that reality, which is fine, but it doesn't strengthen your argument.

You're ignoring reality, he isn't going to stop the run there. They would have to move Ware to the strong side.

[M'Kevon]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

No, Spencer is costing us 10 million this year, and probably wants upwards of that per year. I'd much rather spend the extra 2 million on Dumervil, not that we would have to pay him 12 million this year (please see Brandon Carr).

Trade Spencer for a 2nd or 3rd (whatever it takes to trade him and get value) and then sign Dumervil to a 12 million a year deal (which is cheap for his skill level). Just needs to be more cap friendly than Mario Williams deal.

Trade or not, Spencer is guaranteed 10 million for 2013. FA DEs are going for half that. What team is going to trade for the 10 million price tag? What leverage would a team have to lower the tag?

Spencer is here in 2013. Period. The tag guarantees it.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

You're ignoring reality, he isn't going to stop the run there. They would have to move Ware to the strong side.

Teams don't simply run to one side. This is a fallacy. Regardless of what side he is on, teams are going to run at you. Whether playing Ware strong side or Dumervil, it wouldn't matter. Both are capable of playing strong side, and have been moved to that side before.

Not the point.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by M'Kevon

Trade or not, Spencer is guaranteed 10 million for 2013. FA DEs are going for half that. What team is going to trade for the 10 million price tag? What leverage would a team have to lower the tag?

Spencer is here in 2013. Period. The tag guarantees it.

Signing him to a long term contract is the leverage that teams would have to lower the tag...

Free Agent DEs are going for lower than that because it's a weak class of free agents...

[M'Kevon]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

Signing him to a long term contract is the leverage that teams would have to lower the tag...

Free Agent DEs are going for lower than that because it's a weak class of free agents...

That's not leverage. Spencer has not a single reason to settle. He can play out the year and become a FA next year.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by M'Kevon

That's not leverage. Spencer has not a single reason to settle. He can play out the year and become a FA next year.

Why do any players who are franchised not simply play out their tenders and then become free agents the next year?

[dadymat]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

No, Spencer is costing us 10 million this year, and probably wants upwards of that per year. I'd much rather spend the extra 2 million on Dumervil, not that we would have to pay him 12 million this year (please see Brandon Carr).

Trade Spencer for a 2nd or 3rd (whatever it takes to trade him and get value) and then sign Dumervil to a 12 million a year deal (which is cheap for his skill level). Just needs to be more cap friendly than Mario Williams deal.

id bet he signs long term in the $8mill per area

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

Teams don't simply run to one side. This is a fallacy. Regardless of what side he is on, teams are going to run at you. Whether playing Ware strong side or Dumervil, it wouldn't matter. Both are capable of playing strong side, and have been moved to that side before.

Not the point.

Here is someone who knows nothing about schemes and how they are attacked.

[M'Kevon]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

Why do any players who are franchised not simply play out their tenders and then become free agents the next year?

Some do - but most sign a long term contract with a large signing bonus, with only only a relative drop in the franchise tag - 2 or 3 million.

Spencer, or more likely his agent, is viewing the FA signings this offseason, and would be wise not to sign a reduced contract. While the DE pool may be weak, so would Spencer's position outside of Dallas - he has no body of work at the position. There is no reason to believe anyone would offer him a long term contract for more than 5 million a year.

Here's an article on his "fortunate" timing:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...on-were-smart/

Spencer would be lucky to get 10 million just as a signing bonus. I doubt even JJ offers him more than 5 or 6 million per year.

He's much better off pocketing the tag, playing well at DE this year, and dip back into the FA pool next year.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by dadymat

id bet he signs long term in the $8mill per area

You think Jerry Jones was offering him MUCH less than 8 million per year? That doesn't make sense.

[M'Kevon]

Originally Posted by dadymat

id bet he signs long term in the $8mill per area

I bet he isn't offered anything close to that number, not with all the FA DEs still looking for work. Even JJ has to see that's not a realistic offer this year.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Here is someone who knows nothing about schemes and how they are attacked.

Or you're simply oversimplifying.

Please look at total tackles by strong side defensive ends in a tampa 2. Tell me what you find.

Originally Posted by M'Kevon

Some do - but most sign a long term contract with a large signing bonus, with only only a relative drop in the franchise tag - 2 or 3 million.

Spencer, or more likely his agent, is viewing the FA signings this offseason, and would be wise not to sign a reduced contract. While the DE pool may be weak, so would Spencer's position outside of Dallas - he has no body of work at the position. There is no reason to believe anyone would offer him a long term contract for more than 5 million a year.

Here's an article on his "fortunate" timing:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...on-were-smart/

Spencer would be lucky to get 10 million just as a signing bonus. I doubt even JJ offers him more than 5 or 6 million per year.

[View Full Quote]He's much better off pocketing the tag, playing well at DE this year, and dip back into the FA pool next year.

Most players who are franchised are signed to long term contracts before the deadline.

It's one thing to get signing bonus, but depending on how he plays, who knows how much he would get paid long term, especially being 30 rather than 29... His best chance to get the best contract is now, coming off a pro bowl year.