Sean Payton on ESPN 103.3 - Recap - Page 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

mperfection · 05-05-2005

Thanks, TB. That's one thing (of the many) that I love about this board - the unselfishness of Cowboys' fans to share with some of us lesser-knowns.

Woods · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by AsthmaField

Please, no.

I can't see Parcells wanting the guy... He's the poster child for an anti-Parcells player.

Yes, was just kidding. Scary proposition to say the least.

**trickblue** · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by jobberone

You are still going to hell though.

See you there...

YearAfterYear · 05-05-2005

It drives me nuts to always see Henson's name thrown in with Romo's...

This is based on just from watching the preseason games last year-but Romo is completely the "just a guy" that Parcells talks about. If it wasn't for that broken play that Romo snuck into the endzone he would have shown nothing.

Surely Henson can't actually be lumped with this guy? If he is then maybe this experiment is going to be fruitless.

ravidubey · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by trickblue

The biggest ally for the QB position is #1 a good running game and #2 a good defense... Vick and McNabb are good examples

Taken out of context this sure as heck sound like a backhanded swipe at McNabb and Vick! Vick I agree with because he has no one to throw to beyond Crumpler, but McNabb is a very good passer who was helped tremendously by the addition of Terrell Owens. I will say he was helped by Westbrook as much as TO, but you simply can't deny the impact of TO. Yes his team has a good defense, but without him they would be one and done every year at best.

Doomsday101 · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by ravidubey

Taken out of context this sure as heck sound like a backhanded swipe at McNabb and Vick! Vick I agree with because he has no one to throw to beyond Crumpler, but McNabb is a very good passer who was helped tremendously by the addition of Terrell Owens. I will say he was helped by Westbrook as much as TO, but you simply can't deny the impact of TO. Yes his team has a good defense, but without him they would be one and done every year at best.

TO missed the playoffs didn't he?

LeonDixson · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by ravidubey

Taken out of context this sure as heck sound like a backhanded swipe at McNabb and Vick! Vick I agree with because he has no one to throw to beyond Crumpler, but McNabb is a very good passer who was helped tremendously by the addition of Terrell Owens. I will say he was helped by Westbrook as much as TO, but you simply can't deny the impact of TO. Yes his team has a good defense, but without him they would be one and done every year at best.

Contrary to what a lot of people here think, I think McNabb is a good QB (except for the panic attacks in big games). But Westbrook and the defense played a huge role in the success of that team. I don't think Payton's comment was a swipe at McChunky or Vick. He was just pointing out the need for a supporting cast.

**trickblue** · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by LeonDixson

Contrary to what a lot of people here think, I think McNabb is a good QB (except for the panic attacks in big games). But Westbrook and the defense played a huge role in the success of that team. I don't think Payton's comment was a swipe at McChunky or Vick. He was just pointing out the need for a supporting cast.

That's exactly the way I took it...

Cbz40 · 05-05-2005

Excellent job Sir.......You are more talented than I thought. LOL

My appreciation goes out to all of you that provide the recaps. Thank you.

lkelly · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by ravidubey

Taken out of context this sure as heck sound like a backhanded swipe at McNabb and Vick! Vick I agree with because he has no one to throw to beyond Crumpler, but McNabb is a very good passer who was helped tremendously by the addition of Terrell Owens. I will say he was helped by Westbrook as much as TO, but you simply can't deny the impact of TO. Yes his team has a good defense, but without him they would be one and done every year at best.

If I recall correctly, hasn't Atlanta used 3 recent first round picks on WRs? One traded for Peerless Price, one used on Michael Jenkins, and one used on Roddy White?

At some point the "we don't have any WRs" argument has to end. At that time people will realize that Michael Vick would be a backup QB at best if he didn't run a 4.3 forty.

TheHustler · 05-05-2005

Getting Glenn back is going to do a lot for this offense. He was on pace for 1200 yards last year. Add to that, the 980 that Key had, plus the 980 that Witten had, and we've got 3,000 passing yards just from 2 WRs and 1 TE. This offense has a chance to be very explosive.

Chocolate Lab · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by ravidubey

Taken out of context this sure as heck sound like a backhanded swipe at McNabb and Vick!

I just heard the replay of the interview, and it wasn't really like that... One of the interviewers was asking Payton about Bledsoe, and talking about the team asking him to be a "serviceable" quarterback who didn't have to carry his team by himself, like McNabb and Vick. Payton just picked up on the question and pointed out that those teams have good running games and defenses.

BTW, as with Zimmer, Payton doesn't sound like I expected.* He sounds like a tough, well-spoken football coach. Actually, wasn't Payton sort of a Jon Gruden protege at Philly? Sean sounds a lot like Chucky.

* The above is not meant to imply suckage, wussiness, sqiggy likeness, or other incompetence in Mr. Zimmer.

Chief · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

BTW, as with Zimmer, Payton doesn't sound like I expected.* He sounds like a tough, well-spoken football coach. Actually, wasn't Payton sort of a Jon Gruden protege at Philly? Sean sounds a lot like Chucky.

* The above is not meant to imply suckage, wussiness, sqiggy likeness, or other incompetence in Mr. Zimmer.

lol

Good take, CL.

I've seen Zimmer interviewed on TV before ... a couple of years ago. He came across as sort of shy and didn't really make a good impression.

I've never seen or heard Payton interviewed. It's good to hear that Frankie Muniz makes a better impression than "Squiggy."

I actually put some stock in this. Zimmer or someone else who doesn't communicate very well may be a genius, but if you don't have the charisma or communication skills to make your points, I think it could limit your effectiveness in whatever you do ... especially in coaching players. (Belichick may be the exception).

If Jerry promotes from within when Purcells quits again, I would feel more comfortable with Payton than Zimmer.

Payton was considered a prodigy a few years ago, and now with some years with Purcells under his belt, I think he could be a pretty good head coaching candidate.

joseephuss · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by lkelly

If I recall correctly, hasn't Atlanta used 3 recent first round picks on WRs? One traded for Peerless Price, one used on Michael Jenkins, and one used on Roddy White?

At some point the "we don't have any WRs" argument has to end. At that time people will realize that Michael Vick would be a backup QB at best if he didn't run a 4.3 forty.

That time will probably come next year. Price isn't a #1 threat, but he can be solid #2.. Jenkins was just a rookie last season. I think he will be a good receiver, but rookie wide outs rarely impact teams. White will be a rookie this season. I think given a season or two, they combine to be a good trio of receivers and then it will be up to Vick to deliver. Don't know what will happen, but like you said, there won't be any excuses at that time.

dbair1967 · 05-05-2005

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Originally Posted by YearAfterYear

It drives me nuts to always see Henson's name thrown in with Romo's...

This is based on just from watching the preseason games last year-but Romo is completely the "just a guy" that Parcells talks about. If it wasn't for that broken play that Romo snuck into the endzone he would have shown nothing.

Surely Henson can't actually be lumped with this guy? If he is then maybe this experiment is going to be fruitless.

it drives me nuts to see people call Henson "an experiment"

he's no more of an experiment than any other QB...ALL QB's are projects, all of them have to develop, and that development almost always takes significant time and reps

David