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Hollywood Henderson · 05-11-2005

I agree, Barry was a winner...

Now if you want to see an idiot...look no further then davy "Time clock"
campy...

Chocolate Lab · 05-11-2005

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Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

I agree, Switzer gets a bad rap.

He came into a very difficult situation to coach.

When you inherit a team that has just won two SB's, they look at you and wonder who you are and what you are doing here.

I agree. And Switzer didn't get to pick any of his assistant coaches, either. Think how hard it would be to coach under those conditions.

Switzer is a lot better coach than he gets credit for. You don't win as much as he won at Oklahoma -- and yes, even here -- without knowing how to coach. Sure, recruiting had a lot to do with his college success, but the charisma that leads to recruiting success works with most players, not just high school kids. And success isn't a guarantee no matter what players you have... Just think of the Ray Handleys of the world who inherited talented teams but couldn't win anything with them.

Barry's biggest "flaw", if you want to call it that, is that he never cared about building an aura of being some kind of genius or even a Hall of Fame coach. He was his good ol' boy self all the time, and if you didn't like that, that was fine with him. Building some kind of facade wasn't important to him... And it's rare to find a high-profile coach whose ego doesn't find that important to some degree.

He may not have been the best hire for the job, but I feel he did pretty well given the unusual conditions of coming to a Super Bowl winning team who didn't need to rebuild and insisted on keeping the staff it had in place.

adbutcher · 05-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

I agree. And Switzer didn't get to pick any of his assistant coaches, either. Think how hard it would be to coach under those conditions.

Switzer is a lot better coach than he gets credit for. You don't win as much as he won at Oklahoma -- and yes, even here -- without knowing how to coach. Sure, recruiting had a lot to do with his college success, but the charisma that leads to recruiting success works with most players, not just high school kids. And success isn't a guarantee no matter what players you have... Just think of the Ray Handleys of the world who inherited talented teams but couldn't win anything with them.

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Ditto.

Verdict · 05-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Rayman

Switzer is an idiot, but he didn't cost us the Super Bowl you refer too.

Face it, they had one very bad quarter in the NFC Championship Game.
With veterans like Aikman and Irvin turning the ball over, it's hard to blame the coach for that. They came back and won the next year, so what are ya gonna do?

Switzer wasn't the reason for the Cowboy's demise. I think that as well as Aikman is loved here, he was far more responsible for club troubles than one might think. I think one of the few mistakes that Jerry Jones made was coddling Aikman. Toward the end I think Aikman got the bighead and tried to play "be the boss" rather than just shutting up and playing. When he finally got cut, he thought that the league would be clammoring for his servises but he got a slap in the face as a wakeup call that he was done playing the game. I AM an Aikman fan, I just think he undermined Switzer from the word go.

Verdict · 05-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

I agree. And Switzer didn't get to pick any of his assistant coaches, either. Think how hard it would be to coach under those conditions.

Switzer is a lot better coach than he gets credit for. You don't win as much as he won at Oklahoma -- and yes, even here -- without knowing how to coach. Sure, recruiting had a lot to do with his college success, but the charisma that leads to recruiting success works with most players, not just high school kids. And success isn't a guarantee no matter what players you have... Just think of the Ray Handleys of the world who inherited talented teams but couldn't win anything with them.

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Excellent post.

Verdict · 05-11-2005

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Originally Posted by TruBlueCowboy

Yup, Switzer was a player's coach. Hotheads like Haley would rather have a fella like him. I have no problem with a laid-back player's coach IF the team is full of veterans who can police themselves and the team. For a while, we were but as new blood came in, the inmates started running the asylum. Poor Aikman was just begging for a coach to stand up, kick some butt, and take command.

Aikman whined all the time. Aikman WAS a very goog quarterback surrounded by HALL OF FAMERS. He did well. He won Superbowls. He was Efficient. He was Clutch. But he was also a whiner who undermined Switzer all he could. As I have said I am an Aikman fan, but a spade is a spade.

Jon88 · 05-11-2005

I'll never forget the practice video where Emmitt accidentally ran into Aikman, which made him so mad that he walked off and went to practice with the second team. He could have a very bad attitude at times.

He even admitted to wreaking havoc on the team after Switzer's embarassing gun incident. Right after it happened, Jerry called Aikman and was aboslutely fuming, telling him he was going to fire Switzer. Well he didn't, but from that point on it was basically Troy's team and he did and said what he wished.

Spontae · 05-11-2005

Didn't we lose a regular season game in 1994 to the Whiners that cost us home field in the eventual championship game against them? Why did we lose that regular season game...?

Alexander · 05-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Verdict

Switzer wasn't the reason for the Cowboy's demise. I think that as well as Aikman is loved here, he was far more responsible for club troubles than one might think. I think one of the few mistakes that Jerry Jones made was coddling Aikman. Toward the end I think Aikman got the bighead and tried to play "be the boss" rather than just shutting up and playing. When he finally got cut, he thought that the league would be clammoring for his servises but he got a slap in the face as a wakeup call that he was done playing the game. I AM an Aikman fan, I just think he undermined Switzer from the word go.

I agree.

Coach Switzer caught alot of unnecessary flak but he did win a Super Bowl. Like him or not, he did it. I don't care if he did it with Jimmy Johnson's players or not. He won it.

As for the decline of the Cowboys, I think it is very dense to say that Switzer ruined the Cowboys. If anyone ruined the Cowboys it was Jerry Jones. I have alot of respect for Mr. Jones as an owner and he is very committed to the franchise. But like you said, he was loyal to a fault to the players and we paid for it.

Aikman was a prime example. Jones did everything, and I mean everything Aikman asked for. That included drafting David Lafleur, firing Coach Gailey, installing puppet Campo, trading for Joey Galloway and bringing back Jack Reilly. Those moves hurt the franchise much more than Barry Switzer could ever have.

martyogelvie · 05-11-2005

I tend to throw Barry a bone on this one.
If you want to blame someone for the Cowboys not winning 3 or even 4 in a row, you should blame Jerry and Jimmy (pick one).
It wasn't Barry's fault that Jimmy & Jerry split.

Barry came in, won a Super Bowl in 4 years, was in the playoffs 3 of the 4 years. This after winning 3 NCAA Championships, so yea.. I guess that makes him an IDIOT! WOuldn't we all like to be one..