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**ABQCOWBOY** · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by junk

I think a couple of things have to happen.

1. He has to play at a high level and get some skins on the wall. If/when Drew Henson starts tossing TDs, many fans that don't like him will warm up to him. You'll see people who despise him now with his pic in their sig line then.

2. Break the perception that he is Hutch II, just another baseball project. I think #1 will do that as well.

3. QC has to wash out completely. Many on here were die hard supporters of QC and I think they see Henson as the reason for his departure (at least partially). I think they feel Henson has to fail to justify QC in some twisted way.

4. A serious vote of confidence from the coaching staff. Cutting Bledsoe, naming Henson the starter, etc. I doubt this happens this year.

Bottom line, he will get respect when he earns it on the field.

So then, why do other rookies come in and get the bennifit of the doubt right off the bat? I mean, I just don't understand the reasoning. I'm completely OK with guys not wanting him to be given anything he's not earned but there are many who don't even want him to have the opportunity to compete. They don't even want him in camp and I can't understand why. I guess what I'm trying to get done here is a self analysis of the facts. I would just like all the people who don't like this guy to review the facts and ask themselves why it is they don't like him. What has he done? Why should he not be afforded an opportunity to even compete?

Cbz40 · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by mickgreen58

The coaching staff has clearly approved the idea of him developing yet many fans are completely opposed to it.

Oh, forgot to touch on this.

How long does it take for the guy to develop? Cowboy fans are so sick and tired of seeing pretenders like Carter, Hutch, Banks etc etc assume the throne. We get further slapped in the face when we see retreads like Bledsoe and Vinny assume the throne.

Put Henson in. You talk about how Aikman like him and how he would have been picked over Mike Vick. So let's see him. Put him in in those 5 20+ point blowout lossess last year.

The guy doesnt get to even play when we get blowed out which is crap. See people say, well he has not played ball in what 4 years, I have lost track to be honest. So okay, if it was 4 years, now it is 5 years, and if he doesnt play next year it will be 6.

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The only difference is I'll jump in the Rio Grande.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by mickgreen58

The coaching staff has clearly approved the idea of him developing yet many fans are completely opposed to it.

Oh, forgot to touch on this.

How long does it take for the guy to develop? Cowboy fans are so sick and tired of seeing pretenders like Carter, Hutch, Banks etc etc assume the throne. We get further slapped in the face when we see retreads like Bledsoe and Vinny assume the throne.

Put Henson in. You talk about how Aikman like him and how he would have been picked over Mike Vick. So let's see him. Put him in in those 5 20+ point blowout lossess last year.

The guy doesnt get to even play when we get blowed out which is crap. See people say, well he has not played ball in what 4 years, I have lost track to be honest. So okay, if it was 4 years, now it is 5 years, and if he doesnt play next year it will be 6.

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Well, his playing time is a coaching decision so it's really not in his hands. All he can do is work to get better and give it all that he has. In my estimation, he's doing that, or at least, this is what we are lead to believe from vertually all reports. How can you hold a player responsible for this? It's not a fair criteria.

As for the development time, that too is out of his hands. This is something that only BP will determin. If this is the case, why are people angry with Henson? Seems to me, it is Parcells call on development and the time it takes. Why wouldn't people be upset with Parcells rather then Henson. This is where the decisions lie.

Lastly, not wanting to wait for development is baseless. Project or not. In your analysis, a pretty good one I thought, the Carter camp doesn't want to tollerate a Project. The Hutchinson camp, something I don't really adhire to at all. I would actually call this the movement to replace Carter camp, is also not willing to wait. Well, any QB we take, we would have to wait for. If we drafted a guy this year, we would still have to wait for a good two season. That's how Bill opperates and still, there are no guarantees. In the thread posted earlier, it asks for who posters thought might be busts this year and several point to Smith, the top rated QB in this draft so that right there says there's no guarantee either way. We would basically be in the same boat regardless of what we did with a high QB taken. For the record, I too supported drafting Lefty and really, taking a QB this year, if one feel to us. One did and clearly, the coaching staff elected to pass on a QB. I think this says something as well.

Point here, what has Henson done and is it really Henson or is it us?

cannonball44 · 05-13-2005

If he can convince BP that he deserves a shot, then he's convinced me.

But I was a QC supporter that believes in Henson.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by cannonball44

If he can convince BP that he deserves a shot, then he's convinced me.

But I was a QC supporter that believes in Henson.

Has he not already convinced BP that he deserves a shot? He's still on the team, he's not in Europe and we didn't take a QB. I don't think it's the coaching staff or really the Dallas Cowboys organization that needs convincining.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Cbz40

The only difference is I'll jump in the Rio Grande.

Cbz, you from around here? If so, I did not realize.

Maikeru-sama · 05-13-2005

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Well, any QB we take, we would have to wait for.

See that is what I am saying though. See with Henson he is not getting any playing time at all. If we drafted a guy, he would natually sit the bench or if like Parcells fondly said, "If he is a wolf himself" he could play immediately.

The ony reason the Young draftee would be sitting is because he needs to get acclomated to the NFL experience. Henson is sitting for that and because he has not played.

I want to see what the guy has. I dont care about what he did in sweats in a private workout. I want to see what he does when Mike Strahan is trying to kill him on ever play.

Quarterback is not like Running back, but I have always said not drafting a back and letting Mr. "Emmitt should retire" have the starting spot put this team light years ahead of where it would have been if we had not let Hambrick prove himself. We saw what he had and then decided to move on and draft the next guy.

The problem I have is I dont know if any of these guys "have it" and because Parcells wants to win now, we may not know for a long time and that my friend is kind of a problem.

I have already predicted that Bill Parcells will walk away from the Cowboys job just as respected as he came in. But, one of the small stains on his tenure here will be that he didnt settle the quarterback position.

I hope I am wrong. Maybe fate will intervene and these younguns get some quality minutes, but I doubt it. If Vinny was able to keep his job there is no way Bledsoe will lose his.

Let's see what Henson and Romo have and move on with the business of replacing "The Eight Ball".

- Mike G.

Next_years_Champs · 05-13-2005

There are two things I think Henson needs to accomplish to get extended playing time. And it could be argued that both conditions are interconnected.

1. He must earn Parcells trust that he can stay focused and play within the game plan.

2. He needs to win the support and confidence of his teammates, the team has to believe he's earned the chance to that playing time and he gives them the chance to compete.

Cbz40 · 05-13-2005

The Carter camp does not wont to wait on a "project" and yet they were willing to wait on QC. As far as I am concerned he was as much a project as any other QB we have had in camp.

His first year He could not even take a snap from center w/out fumbling it. He could not throw a slant, or a pass down the middle without overthrowing it to the DBs, or a simple dump off w/out throwing it into the ground.

They had all the patience in the world for this type of inferior QB play but when it comes to Henson.....no way Jose. He played baseball get rid of the wuss.

Yes, I say it's the fans........I'll wait if it's the guy I like....if not trade him, shoot him, just get rid of him.

Not just the QC fans, we also have the fan that is not patient enough to wait for the development of a young QB. We must win now, we must make the playoffs, we must win the division now......then we lose in the first rd of the playoffs. Oh well lets bring in the next vet........????????? Let's start the cycle all over again.

There is going to come a time when we will have no other option but to start a QB that does not have starter experience. I hope you as a fan will be ready for it.

I have had the opportunity to see every one of these QBs, Merediths, Mortons, Staubachs, Whites, Aikmans, QC's first season as a starter and they were not pretty.

I will have to say in most cases the wait for the young inexperienced QB was worth it.

Meredith brought the Cowboys to the NFL's center stage, Morton took us to our 1st SB, Staubach won 2 SBs,White took us to the playoffs many many times, and Aikman won 3 SBs.

Lets get that young QB(Whoever, Henson, Romo, not on team yet) in there, get the first year as a starter behind us and let's go win some more championships.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by mickgreen58

See that is what I am saying though. See with Henson he is not getting any playing time at all. If we drafted a guy, he would natually sit the bench or if like Parcells fondly said, "If he is a wolf himself" he could play immediately.

The ony reason the Young draftee would be sitting is because he needs to get acclomated to the NFL experience. Henson is sitting for that and because he has not played.

I want to see what the guy has. I dont care about what he did in sweats in a private workout. I want to see what he does when Mike Strahan is trying to kill him on ever play.

Quarterback is not like Running back, but I have always said not drafting a back and letting Mr. "Emmitt should retire" have the starting spot put this team light years ahead of where it would have been if we had not let Hambrick prove himself. We saw what he had and then decided to move on and draft the next guy.

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Yeah, but how can this be a reason for people to not give the guy a chance. I mean not even to compete for the back up job. There are very few QBs who come into the league and start as rookies. Marino did it but on an extremely talented Vet club in Miami. Bledsoe would not have done it if not for injuries. Same with Roth. How can this be viewed as a fault of Henson's

Don't miss understand me. I too would like to see what Henson has but that's not in his control. Nor is it in mine or yours.

As for BP, well, I don't think he would leave us with nothing. He has never done that before. When he left the Giants, he left them with Phil Sims, a SB MVP QB. He left New England with a young Bledsoe. He left the Jets with a MVP type season from Vinnie in 1998 and a young promising QB named Pennington from Marshall. I just don't think he would do that.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Next_years_Champs

There are two things I think Henson needs to accomplish to get extended playing time. And it could be argued that both conditions are interconnected.

1. He must earn Parcells trust that he can stay focused and play within the game plan.

2. He needs to win the support and confidence of his teammates, the team has to believe he's earned the chance to that playing time and he gives them the chance to compete.

Again, this is not about Henson's playing time. It is about fan acceptance.

Pooz · 05-13-2005

I was real excited last year when we got him. I can't lie I am not that excited anymore, to be honest how can I be excited about someone I have never seen play an entire NFL game as of yet. I am not judging him, I just want to see more.

Maikeru-sama · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Cbz40

The Carter camp does not wont to wait on a "project" and yet they were willing to wait on QC. As far as I am concerned he was as much a project as any other QB we have had in camp.

His first year He could not even take a snap from center w/out fumbling it. He could not throw a slant, or a pass down the middle without overthrowing it to the DBs, or a simple dump off w/out throwing it into the ground.

They had all the patience in the world for this type of inferior QB play but when it comes to Henson.....no way Jose. He played baseball get rid of the wuss.

Yes, I say it's the fans........I'll wait if it's the guy I like....if not trade him, shoot him, just get rid of him.

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especially this part:

There is going to come a time when we will have no other option but to start a QB that does not have starter experience. I hope you as a fan will be ready for it.

Oh, and I hate the fan that screams for the youngster to come in and once he makes a mistake want him taken out and hanged.

I want the youngster to come in and I am fully expecting a loooong season.

- Mike G.

Maikeru-sama · 05-13-2005

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Yeah, but how can this be a reason for people to not give the guy a chance. I mean not even to compete for the back up job. There are very few QBs who come into the league and start as rookies. Marino did it but on an extremely talented Vet club in Miami. Bledsoe would not have done it if not for injuries. Same with Roth. How can this be viewed as a fault of Henson's

Don't miss understand me. I too would like to see what Henson has but that's not in his control. Nor is it in mine or yours.

As for BP, well, I don't think he would leave us with nothing. He has never done that before. When he left the Giants, he left them with Phil Sims, a SB MVP QB. He left New England with a young Bledsoe. He left the Jets with a MVP type season from Vinnie in 1998 and a young promising QB named Pennington from Marshall. I just don't think he would do that.

ABQ, I answered this already

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It's stupidity. People have hang on to certain plays and dismiss others when they have not even seen them play. That is just we humans are at times.

For someone to hate a guy when he has not played yet is just dumb, that is the only explanation I have.

- Mike G.

Cbz40 · 05-13-2005

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Cbz, you from around here? If so, I did not realize.

Deeeeeeeep South Texas.........I go your way every summer. One of these days I'm going to NM and I'm going to stay.