In the NFL it's all about Chemistry; the NFC:

[AJM1613]

Originally Posted by Rack

What do you think improved more this year, Manning or the Cowboys D? Seriously.

Seriously? The Giants offense. Shockey, Burress, Toomer, Snee, McKenzie, are five of their best offensive starters and none of them played against you. Also, Jacobs has to be an upgrade over Ron Dayne.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by AJM1613

also Jacobs has to be an upgrade over Ron Dayne.

So is a corpse in a wheel barrow.

What is your point?

[AJM1613]

Originally Posted by Alexander

Glover made the Pro Bowl---again.

Declining indeed.

Speaking of declining, Strahan is in that particular boat. So is Shaun Williams.

Barrett Green, Fred Robbins and William Joesph are far from world beaters. Carlos Emmons is a solid LB, but Justin Tuck and Corey Webster are rookies, just like our young players. Gibril Wilson is a fine young safety. Frank Walker is average. Will Allen and Will Peterson are good corners, if they can both stay healthy and play together on the field at the same time.

The lineup from New York may be more experienced, but the talented part remains to be seen.

Do you really think Glover is as good as he was in New Orleans? Or even in 2003?

Williams is 28, I don't think missing fourteen games is the same as being in decline.

Tuck is their third defensive end and Webster is the dime back. If they don't pan out the defense can still be effective.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by AJM1613

Do you really think Glover is as good as he was in New Orleans? Or even in 2003?

Williams is 28, I don't think missing fourteen games is the same as being in decline.

Tuck is their third defensive end and Webster is the dime back. If they don't pan out the defense can still be effective.

Do you really think Kearse is as good as he was in Tennessee in his rookie year?

Welly well. Look who made the Pro Bowl last?

As for Williams, decline means you basically know you are on your way out and you take a paycut to stay with your team, which he did.

As for Tuck and Webster, they are good additions. But no better than Ware, Spears or Burnett. We added three players who at one time were considered first round talents. They added two.

I would suggest you stick to the team you know best. Scouting the Giants is not really your strong suit.

[AJM1613]

Originally Posted by Alexander

Do you really think Kearse is as good as he was in Tennessee in his rookie year?

He's close.

Welly well. Look who made the Pro Bowl last?

The Pro Bowl is a joke. Coleman should have went.

As for Williams, decline means you basically know you are on your way out and you take a paycut to stay with your team, which he did.

No that's team loyalty.

As for Tuck and Webster, they are good additions. But no better than Ware, Spears or Burnett. We added three players who at one time were considered first round talents. They added two.

They also had better free agent acquisitions and got more players coming back from injuries.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by AJM1613

He's close.

Is that all you have?

Can you attempt to claw my eyes out better next time?

The Pro Bowl is a joke. Coleman should have went.

Coleman had a great year, but he also was not on the field as much as Glover and was not nearly as key to his defense. I guarantee you if Kearse went, you would be singing a different tune.

No that's team loyalty.

Ask Shaun Williams. I bet he bleeds navy and red.

Play along here.

They also had better free agent acquisitions and got more players coming back from injuries.

The Giants had a good offseason. I am not denying that. Burress might be a key addition. Antonio Pierce is very underrated. But you have shown nothing to prove that the Giants have improved themselves significantly over the Cowboys.

If I had to grade both franchises, I would rate both offseasons at a par. But since your team's offseason resembles a train wreck and your draft was replete with backups, I fully understand your fear.

[AJM1613]

Originally Posted by Alexander

Coleman had a great year, but he also was not on the field as much as Glover and was not nearly as key to his defense. I guarantee you if Kearse went, you would be singing a different tune.

Because Kearse deserved to go.

Ask Shaun Williams. I bet he bleeds navy and red.

Play along here.

What??

The Giants had a good offseason. I am not denying that. Burress might be a key addition. Antonio Pierce is very underrated. But you have shown nothing to prove that the Giants have improved themselves significantly over the Cowboys.

If I had to grade both franchises, I would rate both offseasons at a par. But since your team's offseason resembles a train wreck and your draft was replete with backups, I fully understand your fear.

Well because the Giants beat you twice last season, even a "par" for both teams would make them better.

And the most improved teams from season to season improve because the players already on the team improve, not the offseason acquisitions.

I liked our offseason, now all we have to do is trade TO for a first round pick and a decent slot receiver and it'll be perfect.

[dargonking999]

Originally Posted by AJM1613

BTW, I still haven't heard an arguement of how you think you will even be a better team than New York.

First we have a stronger Defense

SEcond there offense has not proven to be anywhere near dangerous

Thrid, Eli still has to prove he can be a great QB, he has to show up this year.

thats my argument of course

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by AJM1613

Because Kearse deserved to go.

How did he deserve to go? Please sell this bridge.

What??

I knew I may have to simplify it for you.

Shaun Williams was so loyal that he took a paycut to come back to the Giants? This league is screaming for safeties and if he was either healthy enough or talented enough, he could have commanded a payday. He played it safe. I doubt it had a thing to do with team loyalty. GOOGLE the articles when he resigned with the Giants. Find where he expresses the feelings that it was best if he just stayed aboard.

Well because the Giants beat you twice last season, even a "par" for both teams would make them better.

So does that mean that since the Bengals beat your team they are better?

And the most improved teams from season to season improve because the players already on the team improve, not the offseason acquisitions.

And? What does this have to do with this discussion?

Are you assuming that not a one of Dallas' players improves?

[TobiasEagle77]

I don't want to touch your prediction for Philadelphia, because I'd just be saying the same things I've said in other threads.

But I'd like to look at Minnesota... who I think you are rating WAY too high.

I believe that you are assuming they will have a good defense because they signed a bunch of guys. How can you have a theme of "chemistry is key" and then say that the best team in the NFC will be the one that has arguably the least chemistry. They will have 5 starters on defense that will be learning a new system. How often are free agent defenders immediately effective in a new system? How often are starting rookies effective? To make matters worse, they will be asked to succeed in a system where other talented players have failed. And they will be coached by Mike Tice.

I predict that Minnesota's defense will be slightly above average, at best. Meaning they will, at best, be ranked 12th in least points allowed.

[AJM1613]

Originally Posted by Alexander

How did he deserve to go? Please sell this bridge.

By having more of an effect on our team than Kerney had on his.

Shaun Williams was so loyal that he took a paycut to come back to the Giants? This league is screaming for safeties and if he was either healthy enough or talented enough, he could have commanded a payday. He played it safe. I doubt it had a thing to do with team loyalty. GOOGLE the articles when he resigned with the Giants. Find where he expresses the feelings that it was best if he just stayed aboard.

And that makes him a worse player because? He's coming off a serious injury, which is risky for players entering free agency.

So does that mean that since the Bengals beat your team they are better?

They only beat us once, and they only beat our backups. There aren't man teams in the league that would have lost to Koy and Jeff.

And? What does this have to do with this discussion?

Are you assuming that not a one of Dallas' players improves?

I'm saying the team with the best offseason doesn't always sign the best players. The Giants have a better team right now than you, and their biggest upgrades will not come from free agency, it will come from getting Shockey, Toomer, Carter, Strahan, Wilson, and Williams healthy.

And it was also a response to the Eagles not doing much in the offseason.

[dargonking999]

Originally Posted by AJM1613

I'm saying the team with the best offseason doesn't always sign the best players. The Giants have a better team right now than you, and their biggest upgrades will not come from free agency, it will come from getting Shockey, Toomer, Carter, Strahan, Wilson, and Williams healthy.

And it was also a response to the Eagles not doing much in the offseason.

Well we did lose our best RB for half a season, our best blocking TE,our fastest WR, we lost 3 or 4 starting CB (i forgot how many) we lost our SS did i forget anybody.

[goshan]

This post had good potential until you started confusing 'chemistry' with talent and complementary skills.
Sorry...it isn't about Chemistry (or, in other words, how much the players love each other)...its about assembling a group of complementary players that make plays at the right time.

You are right about Super Teams and lack of stars at every position, but stating that it is 'chemistry' is not accurate.

[RoysAHitta]

how did we go from getting swept by the eagles last year.. to now surpassing them and being #2 in the nfc. am i on an acid trip?

[dargonking999]

Originally Posted by RoysAHitta

how did we go from getting swept by the eagles last year.. to now surpassing them and being #2 in the nfc. am i on an acid trip?

When you get your best RB, your fastest WR, your best blocking TE, and a better back RB, with a better defense.

well ask the Steelerhow they went from thrid in the division, to the best in the AFC